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Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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To be clear I'm not making any statements about the creator, I imagine this is a reflection of the dataset: but the fact that there are so many categories for east Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and I hazard that the "Asian" tag would probably mostly generate east Asians) says volumes about the sexualizing gaze cast on Asian women. While certainly there's an ethical argument over such an algorithm (both for and ag…

You raise some very interesting points. For me this also demonstrates how deeply rooted, historical bias and prejudice bleeds through to this technology and could become a perpetuating factor. These models will reflect societal values, for better or worse. But also what will the next model, and successive models, that are trained on data from AI generate images, be like? It seems you could get an amplified or skewed…

Yeah, I wanted to stress that the categorizations seem more to me to be symptomatic than a reflection of OP's decision making. I loathe the label "problematic", but it seemed worth noting a potentially unintended consequence that could introduce some harms.

That said, it might be too early to speculate on models trained on the outputs of other models. This algorithm seems to benefit greatly from the post-DALLE 2 art-gen renaissance, but still has a number of oddities and uncanny outputs (noted in the rest of this thread) that I imagine are nearly unavoidable given how familiar the human form is. But certainly, if such decisions end up amplified in later work, or through widespread usage, then the consequences are more significant than, say, simply reflecting uncritically a skewed data set.

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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Eventually this and similar technology will be able to generate unlimited porn of all types. Including CP. Should or even could it be made illegal? To me that kinda feels like if it was made illegal then you are basically acting as the thought police. Edit: are people just uncomfortable talking about this or do they think downvoting is going to somehow prevent it?

I’ll bite. The issue is it will take all of 5 seconds for an enterprising CP producer/admin/consumer to mix AI content into their stash and then claim they’re being persecuted when the feds come knocking.

It’s like lolicon, sure, you can sit there and pretend it’s a 2000 year old demon warrior… but she is still dressed, posed and drawn to mimic a small child.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a conundrum, that’s for sure. I hate the idea of the thought police. I love free speech. But in the end, I believe any material, whether it is “art” or computer generated, should be barred if it contains images that can be construed as a child in a sexual act (ancient art gets a pass?). Lolicon does not stop pedophiles from being pedophiles. Nor would this. It would simply act as a gateway and a scapegoat imho.

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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What's going to be really wild is how the availability of convincing technology like this will seep into expectations that women think men have, and how they modify their own bodies to adapt. This has already happened, even with today's limited production capacity using human models/actors. What happens when literally any crazy fetish can be explored infinitely? Based on the images linked here (server has melted down…

>What's going to be really wild is how the availability of convincing technology like this will seep into expectations that women think men have, and how they modify their own bodies to adapt.

US waist sizes tell us women think men find walruses attractive: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db360.htm

The idea that even a minority of women do _anything_ for attracting men is quite wrong when you look at actual behavior rather than day time television. The converse is also true. I find it astonishing that a country which is 85%+ fat has some how convinced itself that it has a problem of unrealistic body expectations. We're closer to the world represented in wall-e than that of playboy.

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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post #184

What's going to be really wild is how the availability of convincing technology like this will seep into expectations that women think men have, and how they modify their own bodies to adapt. This has already happened, even with today's limited production capacity using human models/actors. What happens when literally any crazy fetish can be explored infinitely? Based on the images linked here (server has melted down…

I always thought that if something's bothering you, it's much easier to change yourself in order not to be bothered anymore than it is to change the world so that the thing bothering you doesn't exist.

It's easier to be careful with where and when I go somewhere than it is to create a world where I won't get mugged/assaulted. It's easier to be content with the life I live than it is to become rich. And so on...

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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To be clear I'm not making any statements about the creator, I imagine this is a reflection of the dataset: but the fact that there are so many categories for east Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and I hazard that the "Asian" tag would probably mostly generate east Asians) says volumes about the sexualizing gaze cast on Asian women. While certainly there's an ethical argument over such an algorithm (both for and ag…

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Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

#237

To be clear I'm not making any statements about the creator, I imagine this is a reflection of the dataset: but the fact that there are so many categories for east Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and I hazard that the "Asian" tag would probably mostly generate east Asians) says volumes about the sexualizing gaze cast on Asian women. While certainly there's an ethical argument over such an algorithm (both for and ag…

Blonde, brunette, ginger and white all refers to Europeans, which represents less people than the Chinese tag alone, so it doesn't seem like it fetishizes Asians more than whites. The strange part is why we don't have equally rich categories for Africans. Native Americans not having their categories makes sense since there are so few of them left today, so Africans are the only large group left out.

I thought about that while writing my comment, but while hair color correlates pretty well with ethnicity, the level of granularity given to Asians still seems somewhat unique. There are, for instance, no distinction between French and Italian, nor British and Scottish categories. Blonde and ginger do have fairly ethnic implications, but not many people would answer with their hair color if asked where their family originates. That, and the fact that these hair colors are not restricted to white people, due to multi-ethnicity being a thing, as well as commercial hair dye, made me drop them in my "half the ethnic labels" comment (though I will concede that the image in most people's heads when hearing any of those terms would be a white person).

This is also coming from a perspective where I'm assuming that the audience for this algorithm (outside of academic consideration) would be westerners where white people tend to be the majority. In that case fetishization generally would only apply to racial minorities, due to the fact that the term seems to imply a sexually gratifying quality to the "uncommon". I add that, speaking as an Asian American, that it's not necessarily all that easy for most people to tell Chinese from Japanese from Koreans, whereas it's basically tautologically given that a blonde can be differentiated from a brunette since the terms are more strictly aesthetic rather than geographic.

On your point about Africans, I would extend it to both Latina and the fact that "Indian" seems to be a catch-all for any South Asians. Middle Easterners are also not represented (though this doesn't strike me as a thing where racial equality is necessarily desirable). However, this is where I think the data set is mostly responsible.

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn addiction is already a serious problem for many people. Combine an enhanced version of this model with TikTok style delivery and I’m very fearful of the end result. It’ll be the equivalent of crack in terms of the dopamine rush.

We may experience the first ever dopamine burnout. How much can the brain handle? Remember the film "Brainstorm" from the 1980's? Where the guy almost dies because he blasts a real-life full brain capture of sex into his own brain in a loop for days? We'll probably learn if there is a thing as too much dopamine.

> Remember the film "Brainstorm" from the 1980's? Where the guy almost dies because he blasts a real-life full brain capture of sex into his own brain in a loop for days?

No, I had to go look for it and it was on youtube (NSFW) but is this the scene [0] you're talking about? This was likely what inspired the braindance features in Cyberpunk 2077, it's pretty much the 1980s iteration (with a massive tape) on what looks like a futuristic VHS cassette and a phone for some reason.

Well, it wasn't exactly just dopamine, but there was woman who pleased herself to severe level [1] with 30 min orgasms that impacted her entire life, it's a become a meme on JRE [2].

Sidenote: this is probably the only film where Chris Walken wasn't like he is portrayed now, even Kings of NY had that vibe about him but here he is kind of... normal?

0: https://youtu.be/cOGAEAJ4xJE?t=2969

1: https://www.zmescience.com/other/feature-post/brain-pain-cen...

2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq6KMk8tkNE

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

#239

Eventually this and similar technology will be able to generate unlimited porn of all types. Including CP. Should or even could it be made illegal? To me that kinda feels like if it was made illegal then you are basically acting as the thought police. Edit: are people just uncomfortable talking about this or do they think downvoting is going to somehow prevent it?

Unfortunately, don't think folks watching CP would stop at that. Porn is an addiction (or compulsion?) and I don't see how CP makes it any better for folks with pedophilic tendencies. To think that porn reduces sexual tendencies may be true (in the short to mid term), but eventually, as the addiction intensifies, those hooked have the urge to seek more novel, more aggressive versions of it (in reel or for real). http…

Is that any different from the argument about violent videogames back in the day? Or Dungeons & Dragons before that?

Re: Show HN: Pornpen.ai – AI-Generated Porn

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post #184

What's going to be really wild is how the availability of convincing technology like this will seep into expectations that women think men have, and how they modify their own bodies to adapt. This has already happened, even with today's limited production capacity using human models/actors. What happens when literally any crazy fetish can be explored infinitely? Based on the images linked here (server has melted down…

I don't know. I mean, it's been really fashionable to say stuff like this for at least a couple of decades, but in the real world I see things playing out in pretty much the complete opposite. Guys are still "yey, boobies!" no matter the shape and size, most of my male friends would like more serious and traditional relationships, and the only type of women that get rejected are grossly overweight. The only thing por…

It's almost like many adult males are capable of distinguishing between the pretty picture created for entertainment purposes, and the reality of human relationships. Who could have thought?

A lot of people also behave like pictures of naked women (or availability of actual naked women, for viewing and more, provided appropriate payment is made) is a new thing that human males only got access to with the invention of the internet. It's not that new, it's just another facet of the same old thing, and the same would happen - some small number people would develop an addiction, a bit more people would be regular consumers, a real lot of people would be occasional consumers, otherwise not a lot changes.

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