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Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by darkwater »

godot wrote: post #179

The idea/term of "Outbox" really reminds me of email of the old days (in the 90s) where you have a desktop email client (e.g. Eudora, or Internet Mail and News, or even earlier versions of Outlook Express) that don't do auto-sends, and only connect to your POP3/SMTP servers when you click Send and Receive. This was probably due to internet being on dial-up and being billed by the minutes was common so users limited t…

> This was probably due to internet being on dial-up and being billed by the minutes was common so users limited their internet time (e.g. disconnect from internet if writing a long email response, etc.).

You can remove the "probably", it was exactly for that. Most often then not you would write offline, send the email (which would go in the "outbox") and then later on you would eventually connect to the Internet and send/receive emails.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by feanaro »

motoxpro wrote: post #132
feanaro wrote: post #26

If you made this a Matrix client, I think you'd really have something. Using the matrix-rust-sdk, you could even get E2EE that people are requesting for free.

I haven't heard of even one of the things you mentioned

E2EE = end-to-end encryption

Matrix = an open, federated messaging protocol suitable for replication of all kinds of structured data

matrix-rust-sdk is a client SDK for writing Matrix clients, written in Rust.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by sigg3 »

darkwater wrote: post #231
godot wrote: post #179

The idea/term of "Outbox" really reminds me of email of the old days (in the 90s) where you have a desktop email client (e.g. Eudora, or Internet Mail and News, or even earlier versions of Outlook Express) that don't do auto-sends, and only connect to your POP3/SMTP servers when you click Send and Receive. This was probably due to internet being on dial-up and being billed by the minutes was common so users limited t…

> This was probably due to internet being on dial-up and being billed by the minutes was common so users limited their internet time (e.g. disconnect from internet if writing a long email response, etc.). You can remove the "probably", it was exactly for that. Most often then not you would write offline, send the email (which would go in the "outbox") and then later on you would eventually connect to the Internet and…

Because hitting that send and receive could prompt a five minute wait, essentially blocking other uses of the OS.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by tailspin2019 »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #112
tailspin2019 wrote: post #41

Looks really great but E2EE is important to me. Also this: > data is not encrypted at rest [0] I realise this is a one-person startup, but personally I would want more focus around privacy and security for a new messaging app. It’s going to be a key requirement for a lot of people I think. Being a one person startup, this is even more important, as the “company” behind this is likely not to have the same level of sec…

Thanks so much. Sorry for the slow reply! I'm sorry this doesn't have at-rest encryption, much-less E2EE. I totally understand. As I wrote elsewhere, the best I can do is be transparent about that. I'm a solid fullstack dev, but it would be dishonest to represent to people that I can cryptographically secure their information against a sophisticated adversary. I hope that Pony grows such that I can retain or hire a r…

I get what you're saying, but it doesn't take much cryptographic know-how to at least enable encryption at the database level. Just something to think about...

Good luck!

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by mierz00 »

sflicht wrote: post #163

I can't be the only one who thinks this idea is terrible. "What if we make the product worse , perhaps people will like it better?"

I strongly disagree with you.

Since the beginning of Covid, my workplace has converted almost fully into remote working. For a lot of people this has been great, no commute, flexible working hours, ect.

For me, it has been a living nightmare and I believe I have narrowed it down to one thing; the constant stream of messages that I am now getting. Everything is unfiltered, instant and arriving at all times.

This has resulted in message fatigue where I am no longer able to connect with my friends.

I feel that platforms like Pony work to eliminate that. Remove the anxiety from checking messages and add a structure that everyone can follow.

I sincerely hope platforms like this become more popular.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by nikolay »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #173
nikolay wrote: post #164

This reminds me of ShortMail.com, but somewhat better. Congrats on the launch! Let us know how we can get verified (like you)!

Thanks you nikolay. The verification process is to be determined. I just wanted to make sure there was a method to distinguish "official" communication at launch. Not sure how useful, but we'll see :).

I like it and I'm gonna use it! Thank you for making it clean and simple! Not sure why people dared to compare it to the hard to grasp even for me Slowly app!

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

discardedrefuse wrote: post #198
hudvin wrote: post #44

I was thinking about similar service for emails/news/forums/social networks. Main idea the same - slow updates.

For news and forum threads you might want to check out Fraidycat. Its a browser extension that handles your feeds (rss and some others). You can categorize feeds by importance (real-time, frequent, occasional, etc) and it updates the main page accordingly. https://fraidyc.at/

Fraidycat is really cool. I used it a bit. Have a twitter account already, but would probably have kept using fraidycat if I didn't have one.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

mro_name wrote: post #178
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you :))

recently came across thoughts on the contemplative nature of telecommunication in http://viznut.fi/texts-en/permacomputing.html (via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27199225 )

Thanks a lot of the link. If anything else comes to mind, would really appreciate hearing about it.

Edit: wow yes, the telecommunication section contains some sentences I might have written myself over the last 6 months:

> The allowable time would depend on the context: in some cases, a second would be too much, while in some others, even several days would be fine. ... The exchange of messages and information would be slow and contemplative rather than fast and reactive.

Also the via HN post is very interesting too. I remember seeing that but I didn't check it out then.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by nicoburns »

yumraj wrote: post #215
nicoburns wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fun anecdote: My grandmother says that before telephones, she used to make plans by post! At that time there were 4-5 postal deliveries per day, so she could exchange messages with friends while at work to make arrangements for that evening. Bu I agree that it’s nice to have that separation. I think email used to provide that long-form channel, but it’s too swamped by transactional rubbish these days.

> At that time there were 4-5 postal deliveries per day, This was in the US? Urban or Rural area? Very curious since I've only seen once a day deliveries, between 2 countries I've lived in.

In the UK in a decent sized town, but not a city.
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