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Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by progx »

SahAssar wrote: post #100
wesleytodd wrote: post #78

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This is nothing to do with node. This is poor programmer decision making. You can build great node apps with a real minimalist approach. Holding up projects which pull in half of npm as "the world of node" is like holding up a hot and ready 5$ pizza and saying all Italian food is bad.

I think the point is that this is almost encouraged in the node ecosystem, while in most other language ecosystems I know of it wouldn't be.

Most other ecosystems inlcude more batteries (e.g. PHP). That is why you have to update this ecosystems with all their modules. The problem is, if the core has a bug, ALL apps in this ecosystem has the bugs.

node includes not everything and concentrate on the core. If modules have bugs, not all apps a compromised.

It is a fundamental design decision, if you not like it, don't use node.

You can include all dependencies manually and update them manually, nobody keeps you away. But have fun to update all your deps.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Kalium wrote: post #228
CamperBob2 wrote: post #224

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At some point you will be outcompeted by businesses where they don't sweat stuff like this.

One of the key functions of GDPR and CCPA and PIPEDA is to make many businesses consider what kind of liability might be attached to things they might otherwise opt to not sweat.

None of those apply to internal software that isn't used to store customer data.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by progx »

wesleytodd wrote: post #77
progx wrote: post #71

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Yes, writting an express backend is really simple, some plugins, error-handling etc. and you can run it in less than 1 hour. But the Frontend with webpack needs definitely more time, hours and hours to fiddle webpack to your needs. This project has a definded strucutre and support defined modules (react), so it could save you a lot of webpack config time, but you can not do everything with it. You have to use it as i…

Lol, if the setup on the FE takes hours to fiddle something is wrong with the choice of tooling. I don't use webpack, so I guess I am just spoiled?

You never use it, or?

It is nothing wrong with the tool, the tool does what it does. I sayd to configure it, to fit exactly your needs, it take a long time.

Using an other tool will not change it.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by progx »

Vinnl wrote: post #147
progx wrote: post #71

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Yes, writting an express backend is really simple, some plugins, error-handling etc. and you can run it in less than 1 hour. But the Frontend with webpack needs definitely more time, hours and hours to fiddle webpack to your needs. This project has a definded strucutre and support defined modules (react), so it could save you a lot of webpack config time, but you can not do everything with it. You have to use it as i…

Setting up Webpack isn't even the time-consuming part, in my experience - it's getting the back-end and front-end to work together and having a comfortable development environment in which both live reload.

Exactly.

Only get them running is a thing of 2 minutes, but running with comfort and fit your needs is the hard part.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by kukabynd »

scottmf wrote: post #124
joshstrange wrote: post #121

People in this thread are way overly negative. I understand this tool as something to be used for prototyping and locally-only but everyone is jumping on how insecure it is or how it's got a bunch of dependencies, or it's just express, etc. None of that matters if you aren't exposing this to the internet. This is a really neat project that lets you play with something right away and a lot of you all are bashing the a…

>People in this thread are way overly negative. That's most of HN these days, and why I never visit anymore.

Your comment is here though, no?

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by eitland »

k__ wrote: post #188
tathougies wrote: post #101

Rule 35: Every year, someone somewhere will reinvent PHP or CGI or some combination of the two.

Can I claim "K's rule"? Every (web) technology will eventually be called a PHP reinvention.

That would be an insult (either to php or to the other project, depending on which).

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by k__ »

eitland wrote: post #236
k__ wrote: post #188

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Can I claim "K's rule"? Every (web) technology will eventually be called a PHP reinvention.

That would be an insult (either to php or to the other project, depending on which).

Maybe.

But I read it so often in the last years.

Next.js? PHP! AWS Lambda? PHP! Zero? PHP!

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by IceDane »

Who is this for? Is the goal to enable people who don't know what they're doing at all to make applications?

Maybe at a glance that is a laudable goal, but surely there is a point where, if you need so much handholding, you should consider either sitting down and learning what you need or making someone else is build it for you.

Newbies? I guess that is possible, but I personally think that actually learning to use your tools and the libraries that are available should be the goal. Handing the control of everything to some 3rd party component is eventually going to leave the beginner with issues they have no way of solving because they've never had to learn anything.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by lujim »

IceDane wrote: post #238

Who is this for? Is the goal to enable people who don't know what they're doing at all to make applications? Maybe at a glance that is a laudable goal, but surely there is a point where, if you need so much handholding, you should consider either sitting down and learning what you need or making someone else is build it for you. Newbies? I guess that is possible, but I personally think that actually learning to use y…

Prototyping, hobbyists, people who host a site about cats and don't need 1000 extra lbs of server side weight. Spinning up a simple API to learn a new client side library. Anywhere that tooling and configuration is getting in the way of someone learning something new. Seems perfect for some uses.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by z3t4 »

z3t4 wrote: post #193
beefhash wrote: post #57

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> If security is a concern At the risk of being presumptuous... When is security ever not a concern?

When all other layers are secure, like wearing a bulletproof west inside a bulletproof car inside a bunker that can withstand a nuclear blast. And add to that some security by obscurity, like a bunker in a secret location, only accessed via a tunnel.

That said, if security is top priority you also want to be ready if you get shot from within the car. But more importantly you need to define the most common scenarios and make sure you are protected from all of them. One scenario might be someone shooting you, but another scenario might be food poisoning which would require an additional, different solution.
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