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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

nextgens wrote: post #170
sanity wrote: post #149

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How are the goals different?

I've abstained form interfering until now... but have you honestly forgotten? Please explain how "the new freenet" tackles censorship resistance. https://web.archive.org/web/20001017133926/http://freenetpro... "Freenet is a peer-to-peer network designed to allow the distribution of information over the Internet in an efficient manner, without fear of censorship." https://web.archive.org/web/20050201110519/http://free…

> Please explain how "the new freenet" tackles censorship resistance.

Primarily through the same core mechanism as the original Freenet design: decentralization and relaying requests through multiple peers such that no individual peer sees the entire request path.

The new design also supports pluggable anonymity systems such as mixnets and onion routing. In some respects these are stronger than Hyphanet's approach because relay selection can be chosen intentionally by the user's node rather than emerging implicitly from network topology.

The main architectural change is that anonymity is no longer treated as a single mandatory mechanism baked into every layer of the system. Different applications can make different tradeoffs depending on their requirements.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

nextgens wrote: post #186
SiempreViernes wrote: post #184

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Are there any success stories about Hyphanet's censorship resistance mattering? Beyond serving run-of-the mill copyrigh violations (and probably child porn) I never heard anything about the content on Hyphanet. Even now when people in the US are organising against a fascist regime it's mostly WhatsApp and maybe Signal.

Thank you for the downvotes. You're moving the debate here. The question was "How are the goals different?" from the project leader (who ought to know better), not whether moving them makes sense.

> The question was "How are the goals different?"

A question you haven't answered.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

qcl820DV34 wrote: post #16

Notably this project was conceived by a backroom decision to dump the original Freenet development team's work, in favor of a rewrite from different developers, without asking anyone on the original team. It was an ivory tower decision which was announced on the mailing list without prior discussion. The old team did not agree, yet it was forced through by a decision of the "board". The "board" was a group of people…

Thanks so much for the heads up. I loved Freenet as a concept back in the day and used to devote a significant chunk of my tiny hard drive to trying to help out. I looked it up a few months ago and honestly thought I was experiencing some kind of memory dailure when I saw the new project under that name. Was wondering what the project I was so excited for had _actually_ been called all those years back. Now I know what happened, and where to find the project I actually liked.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

KaiserPro wrote: post #185
sanity wrote: post #166

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How is offering the user more choice with respect to anonymity changing the goals of the project?

the _point_ of freenet was that you could anonymously share/store information. For better or worse, that was the point of it. It also drove the UX and tradeoffs for the network. It was slower than Kazaa/bittorrent, but it was far harder to work out who was shareing what. (if memory serves it also chunked files up so they weren;t on the same machine, but that could be me misremembering)

> the _point_ of freenet was that you could anonymously share/store information.

As you can with the new Freenet, you just get a menu of options instead of being forced to use a one-size-fits-all approach to anonymity.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by Gigachad »

LoganDark wrote: post #220
tardedmeme wrote: post #174

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Every Tor relay redistributes CSAM daily, but nobody gets busted for running a Tor relay.

> nobody gets busted for running a Tor relay. Citation needed? IIRC, the general advice for running a Tor relay is "don't, unless you want an endless supply of abuse complaints". So you'd require a jurisdiction that ignores abuse complaints.

That’s for an exit node. Relays only relay fully encrypted traffic within the Tor network so there is no way to know what was being accessed. They never connect to non Tor servers so they don’t get flagged as abuse.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by dyauspitr »

qcl820DV34 wrote: post #16

Notably this project was conceived by a backroom decision to dump the original Freenet development team's work, in favor of a rewrite from different developers, without asking anyone on the original team. It was an ivory tower decision which was announced on the mailing list without prior discussion. The old team did not agree, yet it was forced through by a decision of the "board". The "board" was a group of people…

Isn’t anonymity the one and only point of freenet.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by FEELmyAGI »

sanity wrote: post #111
foobarian wrote: post #108

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Lol. It's like Linus but crunchier

I'm told I kinda look like him too. There are worse people to be compared to.

Curtis Yarvin is a much better comparison, what with the inscrutable decentralized network software and being a culture war crusader

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

GJim wrote: post #190
koolba wrote: post #101

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The submitter is the creator of the original Freenet. If anybody gets to decide what we will call Freenet, it’s him.

> If anybody gets to decide what we will call Freenet, it’s him. Perhaps. Though reusing the name for an entirely different project with a different codebase is disingenuous to say the least. That won't do his reputation any good, especially in a field where reputation matters .

> Though reusing the name for an entirely different project with a different codebase is disingenuous to say the least.

Same project, same goals, and it's not even the first time we started with a fresh codebase - we did it in 2008.

> That won't do his reputation any good, especially in a field where reputation matters.

This drama never comes up anywhere except HN where it seems to be the obsession of a small number of vocal people who never have anything to say about the substance of the project. I don't lose any sleep over it.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by dyauspitr »

raffraffraff wrote: post #178
kstrauser wrote: post #76

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WTF. These are some of the first things I clicked through on that page: - https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5534... - https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5534... Gee, I can't imagine how that mailing list could ever be toxic.

If his definition of woke mind virus is "identitarianism", then it's agree that it's fucking awful. But I wouldn't call it "woke mind virus". Identitarianism is a cancer, that has been fed via social media algorithms. We seem to have invented a machine for rewarding all of the wrong incentives. Who would have thought that phenomena like audience capture & polarised thought bubbles would be in the palm of the hand, di…

As your average progressive, I agree that I don’t like identarianism. When you have 8-15 years old putting a lot of effort into defining themselves as a “non binary, trans feminist pansexual” it gutturally feels wrong. These kids should not be wasting their time and energy on asinine pursuits like this at that age over performing well academically and over developing their physical prowess. I preferred the 00s where it was generally considered taboo to talk/ask about ethnicity/religion/sexuality.

Unfortunately with that perspective, I end in in the same camp as unabashed bigots and real Nazis.

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