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Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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Consider adding a lifetime option next to your sub options. Consumer purchase behavior is highly impulsive and irrational. Businesses are very rational and like subs, but for many people, subscription fatigue is a real thing. Make the lifetime option 3-10x the annual rate; done. People will buy it. In my app I set it at 3x (but my annual sub is quite high; 6/mo, 30/y or 100 lifetime) but other apps, like Halide, have…

It is utterly bizarre that you portray consumers as irrational for not wanting subs and businesses as rational for wanting subs. Both are rational in their own interests: businesses want subs because it means more money and more control in the long run. Consumers don't want subs because it means paying more money in the long run and eventually having their software taken away from them if the company goes under, make…

I wasn't trying to trash-talk consumers, but I was trying to be as clear as possible on how consumers behave to give good business advice.

A lot of consumer spending comes from motivation. Purchase intents come in burts, an "alright I'm gonna commit, I'm gonna do this" moment. As a consumer app developer, you really need to understand that. Some of your users might use your annual sub for five years, some only for one, some for two. If your average lifetime is 2.5 years, a lifetime price that's 3x the sub price gives you more revenue - and revenue upfront - than a sub. Subs are fantastic because they give you predictable recurring revenue, which is worth a lot in the long run (which is why Wikipedia prefers monthly donations instead of larger one-time sums, for example), but if you're getting started, cash flow is everything.

Consider how much software and goods you bought that you thought you were gonna use but then never touched. The $1000 music software bundle from Native Instruments you bought because you thought it would finally bring you to make music? That guitar you bought because you really thought you'd play it? The home gym equipment so you'd finally do some sports? These purchases came from a commitment "I'm gonna do it", and statistically speaking, most people don't follow through with this commitment. A monthly payment for these things would've been much, much cheaper for them. "Oh, but if I own it I can always pick it up again", you say? Who's stopping you from resubscribing if you want to? It's purely emotional.

There are tons of books on purchase psychology; this applies all the way to owning vs renting a flat.

The mistake many developers make is not factoring in how highly people value perceived security of one-time purchases. Offer a lifetime option, and price it accordingly. It's much easier to upsell people while they already have a purchase intent than to resell them your app every year when the new subscription bill comes in. Even if, statistically speaking, it would be much cheaper for most of your users to choose the annual subscription, you will end up with happier users if you offer an expensive lifetime option, and you will end up with more cash in your company. Everyone wins.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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Nice work! Always great to see independent macOS utilities. I'm building something similar in the Apple Music space, a library cleanup tool that detects duplicates, fixes metadata and checks lossless availability. The macOS dev ecosystem needs more of these focused, single-purpose tools.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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I like it so far. Some features I'd like: - XL bar size - even large feels a bit small on a 6K display - I have grouped windows off, but it would be nice if there was an option to still sort the chips by app, so all the app's windows are listed adjacent to eachother - If not using the suggest idea above, it would also be nice to be able to drag and drop chips to sort them in the order I want - Make the Applications m…

Hey! Thanks for checking it out. Regarding your feedback:

- This has been said by another user as well. I am on a 4K monitor - if possible could you share a screenshot of how it looks like currently?

- That's a fair ask. I will take a note of it.

- Drag and drop is something I am working on as well. It will be released in the next version of the app.

- Again, fair. I think I got used to it because I've been using it for a while. But this is being worked on as well and will be released in the next version.

- Ability to give a desktop a name is easy enough. I'll work on this.

- Ability to map a key or sequence for the app menu - you can already do this from the boringBar settings: Just right click on the empty space in the bar and select settings. You can then record a shortcut there.

Regarding the first bug: I do not have a fix for it yet, but I am trying to reproduce it as of now.

I'll try to reproduce the second one as well - this shows up if you are trying thumbnails for the first time - but only just one pop up and not this many.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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I am running the trial and it seems great except for two crucial deviations from Dock behavior. Clicking on a button ("chip") does not bring the associated window to the foreground. It does work when I hover over a chip and then click the preview of a specific window. But nothing happens when I directly click the button in the bar. The issue occurs regardless of whether an app has 1 or >1 windows open. In the latter case, I would prefer if clicking the button brings the most recently used window to the top.

Another observation: many macOS apps (e.g. pages, mail, keynote, etc.) like to stay open even without having any active windows. This is completely hidden by boringBar, which leads to tons of apps being open without the user being aware of it (-> memory waste). Furthermore, actually using such an app then requires me to awkwardly type the name of the app even though it's already open.

I think it would be better if such passive apps without windows still have chips, perhaps smaller ones without a window title.

Regarding the foreground issue, in case it's relevant: The app has all the permissions it requested. This is on a macOS 26.2 on a M4 MBP.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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I am running the trial and it seems great except for two crucial deviations from Dock behavior. Clicking on a button ("chip") does not bring the associated window to the foreground. It does work when I hover over a chip and then click the preview of a specific window. But nothing happens when I directly click the button in the bar. The issue occurs regardless of whether an app has 1 or >1 windows open. In the latter…

Clicking on the chip and not having the window come to the foreground is a fairly weird issue. Do you have anything else installed that uses Accessibility permissions?

On the other observation, it works this way because apps on macOS do not usually quit when you close all of their windows. If you start an already open app again when it has no windows open, it will bring the app into focus, and you will see it in the menu bar.

Regarding your recommendation, I think I’ll need to experiment with it a bit, since it’ll be important to differentiate between pinned apps and apps with no windows in the bar.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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Since this is the top comment as of now - hijacking this to introduce a change to pricing: ------ OP here - based on the feedback, I’ve switched boringBar to a perpetual license for personal use: https://boringbar.app It’s now $40 for 2 devices and includes 2 years of updates. After that, you can keep using the version you have, or choose to pay for updates again later. For businesses, I’m keeping the existing annual…

We went through the exact same dilemma with our product [1]. For desktop apps, one-off with a defined support window just feels right. Users get certainty, and you still have a clear path to future revenue when that window expires. Subscription makes a lot more sense once you’re in cloud/collaborative territory which we've just entered. Sounds like you landed in a good place with this split. [1] https://dbpro.app/pri…

Hey! Nice to see you have updated the pricing. I really liked the idea behind your product when I first saw it but the pricing was just a non-starter. Getting work to pay for all of my little productivity tools is a PITA and I still have side projects so spending a few bucks on a license every 2-3 years personally is where I find the sweet spot.

Will be trying out DB Pro again in the near future!

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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Small issue: Can't do cmd+a in the search bar and I'd like it more if the hitbox for the "start menu" extended fully to the edges.

I'm able to reproduce the cmd+a issue. Will fix it in the next update. Thanks for letting me know.

The hitbox part is being requested a lot. It'll be a part of the next update too.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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I am using BoringNotch, which is great. Is this somehow related?

No , boring notch is a Dynamic Island like utility and it also hasn’t been updated since November , I suggest you to try out atoll which is a fork of it and pretty great .

Thank you for the tip! I love boring notch but it does have a few bugs and indeed hasn't been updated in a long time. I will check out atoll!
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