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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by overgard »

raincole wrote: post #95
overgard wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive)…

> From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. > It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated) Yeah, exactly. So how the hell the bloggers you read know AI players are losing money? Are they whistleblowers? Or they're pulling numbers out of their asses? Your choice.

Some of it's whistle blowers, some of it is pretty simple math and analysis. Some of it's just common sense. Constantly raising money isn't sustainable and just increases obligations dramatically.. if these companies didn't need the cash to keep operating, they probably wouldn't be asking for tens of billions a year because it creates profit expectations that simply can't be delivered on.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by retired »

written-beyond wrote: post #158
retired wrote: post #154

I looked at Clawdbot. Perhaps my life is so boring that managing it takes little time but I see zero reasons to run it.

I read your comment, then your username. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS USERNAME WAS CLAIMED 14 DAYS AGO! Good catch!

Took me around ten minutes of finding a simple username that wasn't taken.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by amircs »

esskay wrote: post #132

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

What was the task you asked it to do that it decided to do these?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by swordsith »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #180
swordsith wrote: post #143

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> and again proceeded to get itself banned by hammering the crap out of the docs api > Used approx $2k worth of Kimi tokens Holy shit dude you really should rethink your life decisions this is NUTS

> (Thankfully temporarily free on opencode) they paid $0, it's all VC money printing for now

The carbon and electricity would like to have word

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by charcircuit »

pixl97 wrote: post #206
charcircuit wrote: post #117

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If your chatbot provided you 1.5 feet worth of value before shooting your foot it may have been worth it. The optimal self damage to maximize total value may be non 0.

>The optimal self damage to maximize total value may be non 0. This is the calculus that large companies use all the time when committing acts that are 'most likely' illegal. While they may be fined million of dollars they at least believe they'll make 10s to 100s of millions on said action. Now, for you as an individual things are far more risky. You don't have a nest of heathen lawyers to keep you out of trouble. Y…

It's not that deep. Most people are not having their agents break the law for them.

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Post by _zoltan_ »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #166
_zoltan_ wrote: post #106

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There should never have been an "artisan era". We use computers to solve problems. You should have always getting stuff done instead of bikeshedding over nitty-gritty details, like when in the office people have been spending weeks on optimizing code... just to have the exact same output, exact same time, but now "nicer". You get paid to get stuff done, period.

"You get paid to get stuff done, period." It sounds like you hate your job? To be sure, I've done plenty of grinding over my career as a software engineer but in fact I coded as a hobby before it turned into a career, I then continued to code on the side, now I am retired and code still. Perhaps the artist in me that keeps at it.

I love my job FWIW. I work at performance engineering and we work with the most complex systems in the world (GB200/B300/...). Couldn't be happier.

But I just don't care if I have 5 layers of abstraction and SOLID principles and clean code and.... bah. I get it. I have an MSc in it and I've been doing this as a hobby and then professionally for decades now. It just doesn't matter. At the end of the day, we get paid to ship something that solves a problem.

It might be a novel problem. And it might be at the frontier of what we can do today. But it's still a problem that needs solving and the path we take is irrelevant from a user's perspective as long as it solves the problem.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by andai »

esskay wrote: post #132

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

I installed it last night. Burned 7M tokens in 45 minutes. I don't even know how. There's no way to see what it's actually doing, as far as I can tell.

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Post by laksjhdlka »

furyofantares wrote: post #73
jimminyx wrote: post #28

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OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

The problem with LLM-written is that I run into so many README.md's where it's clear the author barely read the thing they're expecting me to read and it's got errors that waste my time and energy. I don't mind it if I have good reason to believe the author actually read the docs, but that's hard to know from someone I don't know on the internet. So I actually really appreciate if you are editing the docs to make the…

The README is for your agent to read. Shrug.
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