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Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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Does anyone know how this compares to other products in its field, such as LanguageTool and Harper? LanguageTool can be hosted locally, and Harper runs entirely as an extension, so I'm interested in how the spelling and grammar checks compare.

+1. Also worth noting that both LanguageTool [0] and Harper [1] are FOSS. [0] https://languagetool.org/ [1] https://writewithharper.com/

Harper is an Automattic asshole property now: https://automattic.com/2024/11/21/automattic-welcomes-harper...

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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The screenshot shows the (corrected) example sentence: > Sometimes I still make mistakes with articles and prepositions, but my grammar is getting better every day I practice. In American/Simplified English, this is grammatically correct. However, in 'full fat' English, practice is a noun, whereas practise is a verb; e.g. : > I go to my practice to practise medicine. The problem I have with this website is that it's…

Calling American spelling "simplified" is anachronistic. It'd be more accurate to call British English "embellished". UK English was irreparably damaged by some smug wannabe-Frenchmen who decided there weren't enough unpronounced letters in English after we broke off.

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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Fluent American readers are likely to think "practise" is a typo. It's not even one of the commonly-known British/American spelling differences (like "color"/"colour"). Unless you know your audience is likely to be more familiar with British spelling, I'd avoid "practise."

They're not very smart then: most non-native people know there are several big mainstream ways to spell English, and we learn that on top of our own languages. Couldn't American schools teach English the same way, like, that there are no single proper way ?

We know that there are spelling differences, but most of us probably only know the most prominent ones. In my estimation, this one is quite obscure.

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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I learned that both exist in school in France. It doesn't matter, I write both interchangeably and nobody ever cared nor corrected me.

Yes, we also had lessons about the differences between BE and AE so we are aware of both, it is just that when Brian was in the kitchen, he was asking about the colour of something. The reference to Brian being in the kitchen is understandable only for Gen X in France. ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_is_Brian%3F , only in French unfortunately but you also have https://youtu.be/11jG7lkwDwU?si=gQoVL_AmBfQMrZbX&t=…

Not "only" come on, I'm a little bit younger and I know it too ahah You even linked a youtube video, which I assume is the sketch in question (at work, no youtube): we can look at things from the past and learn them too !

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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Languagetool is an open source tool you can run as a local spelling and grammar checker. It's different to Grammarly - less AI and more rules based. I often use both tools at the same time. I wrote a quick intro on how to self host this - https://martincapodici.com/2025/05/10/check-your-writing-usi... .

LanguageTool only works in the browser though, as far as I can tell?

There is a local-only, no-signup-required executable available at https://languagetool.org/download/

They don't advertise this because they are trying to push their paid online services. I have complained about this, but they didn't seem to care.

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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post #214

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Yes, we also had lessons about the differences between BE and AE so we are aware of both, it is just that when Brian was in the kitchen, he was asking about the colour of something. The reference to Brian being in the kitchen is understandable only for Gen X in France. ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_is_Brian%3F , only in French unfortunately but you also have https://youtu.be/11jG7lkwDwU?si=gQoVL_AmBfQMrZbX&t=…

Not "only" come on, I'm a little bit younger and I know it too ahah You even linked a youtube video, which I assume is the sketch in question (at work, no youtube): we can look at things from the past and learn them too !

Actually I posted my comment about who can understand it before adding the Wikipedia link, where I learned that Gad Elmaleh did a sketch about that (where a lot of people post GenX presumably learned about the expression).

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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Where is "here"?

I believe at least in all of Eastern Europe (including those guys who call themselves Central :wink:) US English dominates in pop culture, and business. I also used to work with a few Italians, and Portuguese and they all wrote US En too, so I suspect it's the same for them too.

Those who call themselves Central Europe are a part of the European Union, and so lean towards the UK English since school education and relevant English certifications are geared towards it. Perhaps those who would like to ignore the fact that Central Europe is a region distinct geographically and culturally from the Eastern Europe, nowadays more than ever, should not project their views unto others and speak for them?

Re: Show HN: Refine – A Local Alternative to Grammarly

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There is no guarantee that this software will not occasionally start acting as a keylogger. If somehow this happens (let's assume not intentionally), will it be the direct responsibility of the author? Legally, there is no entity behind that responsible for privacy (1), and honestly, I don't see even minimal reason to trust this software from a legal perspective. 1. https://refine.sh/privacy-policy

There's no reason to trust it from a technical perspective either. The app is unsandboxed. Easy enough to check from the CLI. codesign --display --verbose=4 Refine.app 2>&1 | grep sandbox Apple provides a network client entitlement[1] that sandboxed apps must have, to connect to the network. Since this app isn't sandboxed, that restriction doesn't apply. Personally, I only use software that was either built on my mac…

Well, I understand the security benefits of sandboxing. However, Apple's sandbox restrictions prevent apps from using Accessibility APIs, which are essential for Refine to read and enhance text across different applications.

Many popular apps, like Grammarly and Raycast, are also not sandboxed for the same reason. Without these APIs, Refine wouldn’t be able to provide a seamless text refinement experience. Otherwise, why wouldn’t we just use ChatGPT to correct the grammar?

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