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Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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It loads a huge chunk of obfuscated javascript buildshared something something. I thought that was more recent than early 2000s. Also it loads fonts from google. It all seems way too modern. The main forum I remember using in that era was Webcrossing, which was more like Hacker News in being mostly text, though (my preference) not threaded. Usenet was also still going strong back then. Added: it is quite hard to use…

Lynx?!? Sir, I mean no disrespect, but it may be time to move away from your 1996 dumb terminal.

Lynx does require ANSI escape codes so someone using it is quite clearly not using a TERM=dumb terminal.

Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the back button fits perfectly into the UI/UX. It is, quite literally, part of the UI. We don't have much control over the UI portion, but it is firmly in the realm of UX.

UX, maybe. UI? No, not even remotely in the conversation. The commenter is complaining that the back button took too long and the creator responded to indicate it's a load issue. At no point is that in the realm of design, which is what my comment was about.

That load even affects the back button is very much part of the User Experience (UX) and immediately broke the illusion of being back in 1998.

Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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The old-school sequential form still works, BUT...it needs moderation. All the time.

I still browse similar forums, but the second someone derails a thread, or people start arguing between each others, the browsing experience turns to sh!t.

The reddit / HN format fixed this. People can discuss endlessly between themselves, without ruining the thread. People can post completely irrelevant stuff, without ruining the thread. The import stuff floats to the top, while the less important bits sink to the bottom. With the sequential form, you're pretty much forced to endure - unless mods are quick enough to remove posts.

Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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It looks great. However browsing this forum reminds my of the biggest innovation since these days. The reddit/HN like front page going across multiple subjects, ranked not by reply date, but by popularity. Combined with a nested comment system, ranked by popularity. For 99% of topics this is the most efficient way to browse and discover. Hence i feel that, besides nostalgia and very small communities (where you "know…

The vote ranking system is good if you want a steady stream of new curated content and your taste largely coincides with the user base. For instance, you go to “r/catpictures” daily and find the most upvoted cat pictures that users have submitted for that day.

But the vote ranking system is absolutely horrible if you want any sort of in-depth conversation or to have multiple points of view. Conversations on forums might go on for weeks or even years, and people have time to dig up information, view media, ruminate on a point, etc. and come back and add to it later. If you don’t make a comment on a Hacker News post within a few hours, it’s likely that no one is going to read it. Come back a few days later, and you’re just shouting into a void.

Even if you do comment within a few hours, most people are going to just reply to the first couple of comments that were made. Very few people are going to scroll down and read the comments at the bottom.

And if a controversial opinion is split 52%/48%, it’s quite possible for all the comments that are in the 48% are downvoted. Even if one side isn’t 52%, but there’s a small but fanatical fanbase. IE, /r/soda is 10% coke fans that will downvote everything that’s pro-Pepsi, 15% Pepsi fans that will downvote everything pro-Coke, and 75% people who just don’t care. This will lead to all the pro-Coke posts being downvoted and all the pro-Pepsi votes being upvoted. Worse still, since Reddit and HackerNews only use the aggregate score, it will simply appear to most users like no one supports the pro-Coke position.

Of course, neither solves the problem that the most mentally unhealthy individuals are often the ones who spend the most time online, and they’ll be the ones who dominate either style of forum.

Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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The old-school sequential form still works, BUT...it needs moderation. All the time. I still browse similar forums, but the second someone derails a thread, or people start arguing between each others, the browsing experience turns to sh!t. The reddit / HN format fixed this. People can discuss endlessly between themselves, without ruining the thread. People can post completely irrelevant stuff, without ruining the th…

> The reddit / HN format fixed this

God no!

On Reddit (and lately HN) cretins will up/downvote depending on whether or not they agree or disagree with a post, not because of the quality of the writing. This leads to groupthink and prevents popular ideas being challenged.

Allowing posts to be downvoted simply because somebody disagrees with them (rather than because the post detracts from the discussion) is both pathetic and eventually leads to stagnation.

Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of them were on overloaded shared hosting boxes. I know this because I worked for hosting providers in that era.

Oh for sure. But doesn't that increase the returns to making the code more efficient? I don't remember which software it was but one of them would show, in the footer, a count of MySQL queries run. My memory tells me it would usually be in the 30-something range, maybe 50-something. It could have been 1!

>I don't remember which software it was but one of them would show, in the footer, a count of MySQL queries run.

It might have been Simple Machine Forum (SMF). The footer has the number of queries and number of seconds it took to generate the page (in my case, their community forum index page used 9 queries and took ~0.3 seconds to generate).

https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php#footer

Re: Show HN: I made an early 2000s-inspired internet forum

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This project idea is one I have for a long time now: Build a proper forum, like the ones I used to frequent back in the day, but with a modern programming language, applying all the coding-fu I have learned since then. However, it is a big task, so I have not yet started ... Maybe I should think of an iterative strategy to get there and go step by step.

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