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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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tardedmeme wrote: post #171
kstrauser wrote: post #76

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WTF. These are some of the first things I clicked through on that page: - https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5534... - https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5534... Gee, I can't imagine how that mailing list could ever be toxic.

Why is it always people like this who run projects that should be good? SimpleX, Xlibre, Freenet Locutus, that's three, and I'm sure there are more. Edit: do they all like the letter X, too? I think in this list it's just a coincidence, but maybe? Edit because I can't post a new comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46608061

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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by Forgeties79 »

timschmidt wrote: post #153
Forgeties79 wrote: post #109

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> Extremely depraved things are not the only thing to use freedom of speech for I’m not a fan of “think of the children“ arguments but the Internet cannot actually be a complete free for all and “freedom of speech” is not some magic shield that overrides all other ethical considerations. CSAM is not a particularly high bar and frankly if you want people to throw in with you then you can’t brush it off so lightly.

> I’m not a fan of “think of the children“ arguments Yet you're making one. > the Internet cannot actually be a complete free for all Yet in many important ways, it is. As much as publishers would like to shut down Scihub, it exists. The Pirate Bay famously persists. Nation states with entirely opposed legal systems connect and interoperate to at least some degree.

Dude it’s CSAM what are we even doing here.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by mhitza »

What are the current limitation of this system? Slow bootstrapping, high latency, large disk usage?

Is there a solution, or ideas, for DNS equivalents? I know the I2P approach (and remember that GNUNet had some unique approach as well), which can be workable in practice with "trusted registrars" as jump hosts. Name resolution feel even more important to solve in decentralized web.

How can anonymity be built on top of this system?

For ghost keys issuance, like with other privacy products, I'd really like to be able to buy redeem coupons in real life, not through stripe and all other online payment providers.

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Post by happymellon »

somerandom2407 wrote: post #176
bglusman wrote: post #123

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You can stand by things you said but also learn from them/from people’s responses to them…. For instance, you declare someone’s response virtue signaling… This hit me in a funny way, partly because it’s valid, it’s true, there is a lot of signaling that goes on you learn to see, virtue and otherwise… but also because of how insidious a criticism it is, because it reframes a debate away from correctness and towards wh…

I just want to quickly jump on what you said about Linus. I know a lot of people look at his change and see it as a "growth moment", but my view is that he was forced to change by a growing body of people who take relatively extreme actions against those not seen to be towing the line. There was another group of people like this in history. We rightly condemned that evil group and their actions, and we were once more…

You think that Linus changed because of threats of violence?

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Post by somerandom2407 »

happymellon wrote: post #205
somerandom2407 wrote: post #176

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I just want to quickly jump on what you said about Linus. I know a lot of people look at his change and see it as a "growth moment", but my view is that he was forced to change by a growing body of people who take relatively extreme actions against those not seen to be towing the line. There was another group of people like this in history. We rightly condemned that evil group and their actions, and we were once more…

You think that Linus changed because of threats of violence?

I think it starts with social coercion, intimidation, exclusion, economic pressure and ostracism long before it builds into the confidence to take more overtly violent measures. I don't know him, but it certainly appeared as though he succumbed to these pressures, given the timing of things. I hope people doing these things take some time to reflect on their actions and how closely they follow a dark path we've seen before.

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Post by cynicalkane »

sanity wrote: post #135
outside1234 wrote: post #125

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It is hard to take anyone seriously that says “The woke mind virus.” That is what is wrong with it.

If the use of a single phrase in an obscure three year old mailing list post is enough to make you dismiss someone entirely, that probably says more about you than it does about me.

> "If you think a specific statement was wrong, harmful, or dishonest, then explain why"

> someone picks a specific statement

> "If the use of a single phrase... is enough to make you dismiss someone entirely"

Bro, you asked for a specific statement. Was GP actually supposed to provide N specific statements, where N is a hidden number known only to you?

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

nextgens wrote: post #180
outside2344 wrote: post #27

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So he forked the project and went his own way. I am not sure I see the issue here. This is how we do open source on the internet. You don't have to join him, but he also has the right to go his own way too.

You're getting this wrong. He has forked the project (to something that does not share the same goals so "fork" is arguable here), took the name, the cash and the goodwill. We went from "we have enough donations/donators" to "how do we pay for the upcoming AWS bill?". As someone who has been fairly active on the "old freenet", I have never cared about money nor funding... but I cannot help but notice that some has li…

> to something that does not share the same goals so "fork" is arguable here

How do the goals differ, specifically?

> but I cannot help but notice that some has likely been misappropriated

You had no visibility into the project's finances, yet you're publicly implying financial impropriety without evidence.

I've raised substantially more funding for the new Freenet in the past 5 years than was raised during the entire prior 20-year history of the project.

> were awarded specifically for "protection against surveillance and censorship" that the "new freenet" does not even aim to provide.

In what way does a decentralized network with optional anonymity not protect against surveillance and censorship?

> "The board" of the non-profit seems to have been culled just before the decision. I don't know why, I wasn't on it. Maybe @agl can shime in (he was).

You also acknowledge here that you don't know what happened. Those board members' departures were at their request because they were no longer actively involved in the project.

> All I know is that this could have been handled better.

I'm sure you're right about that. But my experience at the time was that the disagreement was fundamentally about the outcome, not the process.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by Gigachad »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #165
Gigachad wrote: post #142

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The hard part imo was not being exposed to, or unknowingly redistributing illegal content. They claim this new freenet solves this but the details on how weren't super clear.

Realistically the only uses cases of this are illegal ones. It’s like Tor, you’re either using it because your government made everything illegal, or you’re using it for dark shit.

I'd be interested in it just for fun. Hosting a cool decentralized blog or something. And hosting stuff that is legal in my country but illegal in say Russia. I just don't want to host or transport anything that is illegal or objectionable to me.
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