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Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

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Post by watwut »

spwa4 wrote: post #190
AlecSchueler wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does that include not accepting Their point wasn't about accepting it or not, it was about Iran not being bound by the terms of a treaty they've never ratified. And of course that applies to any state and any treaty. War crime is something of a different case also because it's a term which exists separately in the popular lexicon and isn't used solely to mean "not in keeping with the terms of the UNSC." Your commen…

Not at all. Freedom of navigation, the specific principle Iran violates, is one of the core parts of the post-WW2 "security architecture". Which is a difficult way of saying, it's the big reason we don't have WW3. And now you say, we'll just let Iran "opt out" and firing at other people's ships is just fine now ... This means getting goods from other countries without paying tax to half the countries in between is no…

I mean, speaking of that ... USA "opted out" when it destroyed ships in pacific and killed survivors.

That international custom is breaking and the power openly and proudly breaking it does not get to pearl clutch when someone else does it too.

Whether Iran looses or wins, the nice cooperative days are kind of gone.

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

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Post by gloosx »

ericmcer wrote: post #200
gloosx wrote: post #165

Hello OP, I think using an ai agent to fetch the JSON is a bit of an overkill Here is a node.js script for you which will fetch the data and save it to the file: import fs from 'fs' import puppeteer from 'puppeteer-extra' import StealthPlugin from 'puppeteer-extra-plugin-stealth' puppeteer.use(StealthPlugin()) const browser = await puppeteer.launch(); const page = await browser.newPage(); async function fetchCoords(x…

What is the AI agent doing in this interaction? This is a public API exposed to any browser...

Well, not to every every browser, there is some cloudflare bs preventing simple curling and you actually need a stealth-mode puppeteer to go around it.

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

spwa4 wrote: post #190
AlecSchueler wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does that include not accepting Their point wasn't about accepting it or not, it was about Iran not being bound by the terms of a treaty they've never ratified. And of course that applies to any state and any treaty. War crime is something of a different case also because it's a term which exists separately in the popular lexicon and isn't used solely to mean "not in keeping with the terms of the UNSC." Your commen…

Not at all. Freedom of navigation, the specific principle Iran violates, is one of the core parts of the post-WW2 "security architecture". Which is a difficult way of saying, it's the big reason we don't have WW3. And now you say, we'll just let Iran "opt out" and firing at other people's ships is just fine now ... This means getting goods from other countries without paying tax to half the countries in between is no…

> now you say, we'll just let Iran "opt out" and firing at other people's ships is just fine now

Could you point to where I said this?

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

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Post by foxglacier »

spwa4 wrote: post #187
foxglacier wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran hasn't ratified it and is not a party to that agreement. You can't really fault a country for not complying with an extraterritorial law made by and for other countries.

If you are really of that opinion, does that include not accepting warcrimes committed by the US or Iran? Or Israel (and many other nations, including all arab countries, at least half of Africa, and more) You see, they have not ratified or withdrawn from the Rome treaty, which is the only UN treaty that talks about war crimes. What I'm saying, if countries just get to opt out of treaties, where that affects a great…

Absolutely. If your country didn't sign up to the law of war crimes, you don't have to follow it. That's how sovereignty works. It doesn't mean they're not bad for doing bad things but it does mean you can't defer to the law to judge them as the parent did.

War crimes is a funny example to choose. It just happens that post WWII, the west has been impermeable with its expensive high-tech militaries so it could comfortably set a high moral standard for itself and then judge poorer countries by that same standard. For example, Palestinians commit war crimes all the time because they don't have the conventional military capability of fighting to the west's moral standards. I suppose in your view, they should just admit they're losers and take whatever happens to them, but people love to fight for the part of the Earth they feel they have exclusive rights to and no amount of labelling something a crime is going to get in the way of that.

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

#205

Post by spwa4 »

watwut wrote: post #201
spwa4 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Freedom of navigation, the specific principle Iran violates, is one of the core parts of the post-WW2 "security architecture". Which is a difficult way of saying, it's the big reason we don't have WW3. And now you say, we'll just let Iran "opt out" and firing at other people's ships is just fine now ... This means getting goods from other countries without paying tax to half the countries in between is no…

I mean, speaking of that ... USA "opted out" when it destroyed ships in pacific and killed survivors. That international custom is breaking and the power openly and proudly breaking it does not get to pearl clutch when someone else does it too. Whether Iran looses or wins, the nice cooperative days are kind of gone.

Does it really need to be said that military ships are fair game?

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

#206

Post by spwa4 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #203
spwa4 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Freedom of navigation, the specific principle Iran violates, is one of the core parts of the post-WW2 "security architecture". Which is a difficult way of saying, it's the big reason we don't have WW3. And now you say, we'll just let Iran "opt out" and firing at other people's ships is just fine now ... This means getting goods from other countries without paying tax to half the countries in between is no…

> now you say, we'll just let Iran "opt out" and firing at other people's ships is just fine now Could you point to where I said this?

It's in the top comment of this thread. Which is the side of the argument you're defending.

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

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Post by golem14 »

zorked wrote: post #167
golem14 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they though, in the straight ? I'm not sure it's such a great move, TBH: Given that the baddies clearly can locate ships and see that there's no transponder, and come to the conclusion they need. "Hmm, it turned off transponders and is now moving toward the straight. It's a tanker, and not one of ours, or Russia's or China's. Let's bomb it!" Also, pragmatically, you could look at the transponders suddenly not sho…

The fleet serving Iran and Russia does not use transponders. It's a large fleet. Ships without transponders are just a fact of life in shipping.

Sure, but for the purpose of this discussion, those ships don't matter. What matters is what the ships NOT belonging to Iran's friends do.

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

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Post by quantummagic »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #189
quantummagic wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been very hard to watch how many people who, a few years ago, believed everything the media said about say the pandemic, now claim you can't trust them at all. Time makes "conspiracy theorists" out of all of us -- it can be hard to see just how much the media lies and distorts, until they start talking about something you care about.

> how many people who, a few years ago, believed everything the media said about say the pandemic Are you sure they're the same people and do you have examples of misinformation these people believed 6 years ago?

If you NOW believe that the media is corrupt and full of lies, but also believe that 6 years ago they were 100% truthful, you're being intellectually stunted. If you believed all the media lies during Covid, but NOW you see that the media is lying about the Middle East, you should have the intellectual honesty to at least earnestly consider if you were duped back then. Because that's much more likely than the entire media going from truthful to deceitful in that same period.

Re: Show HN: Is Hormuz open yet?

#210

Post by toraway »

spwa4 wrote: post #205
watwut wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, speaking of that ... USA "opted out" when it destroyed ships in pacific and killed survivors. That international custom is breaking and the power openly and proudly breaking it does not get to pearl clutch when someone else does it too. Whether Iran looses or wins, the nice cooperative days are kind of gone.

Does it really need to be said that military ships are fair game?

Are (alleged) drug smugglers not engaged in any kind of active combat "military ships"?
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