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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by ghaff »

array_key_first wrote: post #200
ghaff wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what I wrote about data collection. But public data/photo/video availability is pretty much a thing and it seems impossible to prevent. Seems you just have to deal with it.

Those are inseparable from data collection, because that is data collection. The only reason we have to worry about things like Flock is because there's people who will die on the hill that filming people in public is okay, even when corporations do it and use that data for your oppression. I just don't understand how it's impossible to prevent. We haven't even tried. This is a "we've tried nothing and we're all out…

Maybe start just wearing a mask.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by keepamovin »

ghaff wrote: post #150
keepamovin wrote: post #148

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Just wait for the bionic eyeballs!

A few years back there was a prototype contact lens at HotChips for AR. I assume video/audio recording in jewelry of various types today would be fairly straightforward at least in conjunction with recording on a wireless device in a pocket or transmitting over cellular in some manner. Of course, audio recording (wearing a wire) has been practical for decades.

It's like "Everyone can be Q" now.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by LocalH »

moritzwarhier wrote: post #153
LocalH wrote: post #151

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I want to be able to use glasses with a camera, in situations which warrant it, to prevent people from gaslighting me or others about our conversations. Something like you see in dashcams, where it's always recording to a circular buffer of a few seconds to a minute, and then one can then enable "full" recording which dumps the buffer to storage and then starts saving everything until disabled. I also live in a US st…

Sounds dystopian to me, I'd want to reconcile it by not allowing "one-party consent" for people to record me. Not sure if the state laws you're referencing are in reality limited to phone calls, but I strongly dislike unregulated public camera use. Your vision (no pun intended) is the story of the Black Mirror episode "The entire history of you", IMO from the show's golden age. edit; I know that surveillance cameras…

It's possible the state laws in question (Tennessee) only apply to audio recordings, which would suit my desire. I also don't believe that the idea of a rolling buffer that normally discards its contents to be morally against the idea of notification of recording, or of seeking someone's consent.

I'd be fine with glasses that only record audio in such a way, that illuminate an LED once the "record" button has been pressed. If audio is being recorded into a buffer at all times, but then discarded unless triggered to start "recording", then maybe that should not count as "recording" under the law.

As a practical matter, if one is in a situation where such recording is warranted, by the time you press the record button, you've already missed important information that's relevant to the context of the recording. Allowing a 60-second rolling buffer that then gets dumped to storage when "actual" recording starts should be allowed.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by LocalH »

godelski wrote: post #182
moritzwarhier wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds dystopian to me, I'd want to reconcile it by not allowing "one-party consent" for people to record me. Not sure if the state laws you're referencing are in reality limited to phone calls, but I strongly dislike unregulated public camera use. Your vision (no pun intended) is the story of the Black Mirror episode "The entire history of you", IMO from the show's golden age. edit; I know that surveillance cameras…

> Sounds dystopian to me 1984? It's not the only surveillance state story. Everyone loves when you can dig up something from decades ago that is no longer representative. Cameras everywhere just keeps everyone honest, right? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right? What's acceptable now will always be acceptable in the future, right? My mind never changes, whose does?

The point of this idea is that it would be under control of the individual wearing the glasses. I would most definitely not want it to be syncing to the cloud or some stupid shit like that. The buffer, and the storage, would need to be entirely contained within the glasses (or other device, if it turns out audio is a legally safer way to implement something like this).

As I mentioned in a sibling comment, I'm not against a visual notification of such recording once the "start saving to storage" button has been pressed. At the same time, I realize that the 60 seconds or so leading up to pressing that button is also often vital (otherwise dashcams wouldn't use a rolling buffer). And in such a situation where audio (or video, in applicable jurisdictions) is being recorded only in volatile memory and overwritten when the buffer is exhausted, I don't think a recording notification should be necessary unless the user has actively engaged non-volatile recording. In that sense, it's similar to the difference between streaming and downloading media. Both are technically the same, but the intention of "streaming" is to download the media and decode it without storing it in a non-volatile fashion.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by array_key_first »

ghaff wrote: post #201
array_key_first wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are inseparable from data collection, because that is data collection. The only reason we have to worry about things like Flock is because there's people who will die on the hill that filming people in public is okay, even when corporations do it and use that data for your oppression. I just don't understand how it's impossible to prevent. We haven't even tried. This is a "we've tried nothing and we're all out…

Maybe start just wearing a mask.

I would really prefer a solution that doesn't result in tangible social harm to me. Ideally, I should be able to live my life in public and have it not be absolutely fucking terrible.

I don't think that's asking too much. Really, I don't. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I have high expectations. Or maybe everyone else is a pathetic loser with no spine who actively advocates for things they know harm them, out of some masochistic desire for punishment.

I don't know, you decide.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by godelski »

LocalH wrote: post #204
godelski wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sounds dystopian to me 1984? It's not the only surveillance state story. Everyone loves when you can dig up something from decades ago that is no longer representative. Cameras everywhere just keeps everyone honest, right? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right? What's acceptable now will always be acceptable in the future, right? My mind never changes, whose does?

The point of this idea is that it would be under control of the individual wearing the glasses. I would most definitely not want it to be syncing to the cloud or some stupid shit like that. The buffer, and the storage, would need to be entirely contained within the glasses (or other device, if it turns out audio is a legally safer way to implement something like this). As I mentioned in a sibling comment, I'm not aga…

I think you're thinking about this a bit naively, concentrating on the utility without considering the detriments.

Look at social media. WE are the ones who surveil ourselves. Yes, the big social media companies process all that data and use it against us, but we are the ones who give the pictures, videos, and words to them. There's really no good way around this either. I put those same things on my blog and they still get scrapped.

So what ends up being the difference? It's not synced to the cloud, but we put it there anyways. Do you really think most people are just going to take the videos and not share them? Do you think most people are just going to run a NAS at home? In an ideal world, yes. But I don't think we're anywhere near that happening. So a good portion of those videos just get put online somewhere and bad actors have access.

Non-volatile recording doesn't really exist. We're on HN and I'd expect most people here to be familiar with how easy it is to download a streamed video. yt-dlp will do that for a lot more than youtube.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by ktallett »

sillyfluke wrote: post #161

Sorry for not responding for your request for tech advise and instead commenting on the idea: 1. I would want this. 2. If possible, if the detecting device could be clipped on somewhow and not force me to use different (sun)glasses might be my necessary condition unless you're selling glasses that I like as much as my curreny ones. 3. If I could demand anything, I would demand you pair up with someone who has some st…

I am curious what you would do if you found it detected glasses that did have a camera?
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