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Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by johnpipi »

q3k wrote: post #75
q3k wrote: post #26

> File-system Based Routing: If your code resides in ./api/login.js it's exposed at /api/login" rel="nofollow">http:// /api/login . Inspired by good ol' PHP days. > Auto Dependency Resolution: If a file does require('underscore'), it is automatically installed and resolved. You can always create your own package.json file to install a specific version of a package. This sounds like a security nightmare. EDIT: to be c…

Putting my money where my mouth is - use this to leak any file accessible by the running user of zero from the filesystem: # curl -v --path-as-is 127.0.0.1:3000/../../../../../etc/passwd root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash [...]

can just put some logic to set the root directory where can start to include from?

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by franciscop »

I did something very similar but arguably with even less configuration, https://serverjs.io/

    const server = require('server');
    server(() => "Place your Node.js API here.");
However my project doesn't have the automatic routing/installing/React, which looks great! Keep it up, I like the direction where this is going.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by franciscop »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #159

"Zero configuration" But, you can install express, copy paste the getting started code and be up and running at a similar level in 5 minutes. I...guess I don't understand why I should trade something super simple and easy to use for this additional level of abstraction magic. There is such a thing as too much abstraction.

No, you cannot, not in an easy way. I've taught many people Node.js/express and they always struggle with all of those copy/pasted configuration bits. Now if I add them, I tell them something along the lines This is just magic, copy/paste it to make your app work. Some day you will understand.

Once you get used to them it's easy, but to get started it's a nightmare. I started with PHP back in the day, and even though it's hated around here the bar to getting started there is amazingly low in a good way.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by asadlionpk »

franciscop wrote: post #204
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #159

"Zero configuration" But, you can install express, copy paste the getting started code and be up and running at a similar level in 5 minutes. I...guess I don't understand why I should trade something super simple and easy to use for this additional level of abstraction magic. There is such a thing as too much abstraction.

No, you cannot, not in an easy way. I've taught many people Node.js/express and they always struggle with all of those copy/pasted configuration bits. Now if I add them, I tell them something along the lines This is just magic, copy/paste it to make your app work. Some day you will understand . Once you get used to them it's easy, but to get started it's a nightmare. I started with PHP back in the day, and even thoug…

Exactly this! An experienced developer might take configuration and setup for granted.

I also teach sometimes and all this friction to get started just makes it harder to get into web development these days.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by Waterluvian »

franciscop wrote: post #204
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #159

"Zero configuration" But, you can install express, copy paste the getting started code and be up and running at a similar level in 5 minutes. I...guess I don't understand why I should trade something super simple and easy to use for this additional level of abstraction magic. There is such a thing as too much abstraction.

No, you cannot, not in an easy way. I've taught many people Node.js/express and they always struggle with all of those copy/pasted configuration bits. Now if I add them, I tell them something along the lines This is just magic, copy/paste it to make your app work. Some day you will understand . Once you get used to them it's easy, but to get started it's a nightmare. I started with PHP back in the day, and even thoug…

That feeling of discomfort and tinge of frustration means you're learning. I feel like this is helping people to skip over a really useful lesson.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by franciscop »

Waterluvian wrote: post #206
franciscop wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you cannot, not in an easy way. I've taught many people Node.js/express and they always struggle with all of those copy/pasted configuration bits. Now if I add them, I tell them something along the lines This is just magic, copy/paste it to make your app work. Some day you will understand . Once you get used to them it's easy, but to get started it's a nightmare. I started with PHP back in the day, and even thoug…

That feeling of discomfort and tinge of frustration means you're learning. I feel like this is helping people to skip over a really useful lesson.

It means you are getting frustrated, evaluating your life choices and whether Node.js is really for you. The lesson they get is that Node.js is not for them!

I prefer those who are new to any webdev to get started by creating a simple CRUD, not with the grunt details like parsing a JSON body or what is this session stuff. Those IMHO should be optional optimization details to apply later on if you wish, but not mandatory for everyone.

Re: Show HN: Zero – A fast, zero-configuration server for React, Node.js, Markdown

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Post by jjcm »

franciscop wrote: post #204
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #159

"Zero configuration" But, you can install express, copy paste the getting started code and be up and running at a similar level in 5 minutes. I...guess I don't understand why I should trade something super simple and easy to use for this additional level of abstraction magic. There is such a thing as too much abstraction.

No, you cannot, not in an easy way. I've taught many people Node.js/express and they always struggle with all of those copy/pasted configuration bits. Now if I add them, I tell them something along the lines This is just magic, copy/paste it to make your app work. Some day you will understand . Once you get used to them it's easy, but to get started it's a nightmare. I started with PHP back in the day, and even thoug…

I'll echo this. I was hired by Atlassian to join and "make prototyping better". Part of this meant enabling designers to more easily create code based prototypes.

I learned very early on that if creating something in code means learning/entering cryptic code just to start (that is, before any work gets done), then you lose people very quickly. Inexperienced developers can easily express, "Hey if I click this button and a field has the word 'bubblegum', I want a popup to show", and likely can figure out the js necessary for it. But if you say, "Ok, before you write that javascript you have to configure a package.json and install all necessary pages, but also make sure your version of node is the correct version for our internal libs", their excitement to dive into a project is ruined.

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