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Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by mherrmann »

dflock wrote: post #145

Glad I looked inside the .deb file before I installed this. It does the following things: - Adds `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list - Adds `/etc/cron.daily/fman`, which does this: #!/bin/sh update-fman The `/usr/bin/update-fman` script does this: #!/bin/sh set -e apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist="/etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list" -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts="-" -o APT::Get::List-Cleanup="0" apt-get install --only…

I didn't know it was considered such a bad practice, sorry. I will either remove this or ask permission from the user BEFORE doing it [1].

[1]: https://trello.com/c/LZcZRM8a/153-linux-don-t-install-auto-u...

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by slrz »

mherrmann wrote: post #172
missenlinx wrote: post #126

Your installer was detected on my Windows 7 machine as a virus. http://imgur.com/a/47tsP

Yes, McAffee complains as well [1]. I don't know why :( [1]: https://trello.com/c/dFLnJXLr/121-mcafee-complains-that-fman...

Because antivirus software tends to be a huge load of crap that will flag anything just slightly out of the ordinary with annoying popups to give moronic customers the impression their wasted money actually contributed to system security. Don't worry about it and tell users to remove that garbage from their systems.

If more developers stopped putting up with it for fear of being associated with malware, this shit would come to an end quickly.

Alternatively, you can bend over and ask them nicely to consider the flagging of your app a false positive. If you're lucky, they might add an ultra-specific whitelist entry so that their software will shut up until you update your app (or compiler, …) the next time. Repeat until your butt can't take it anymore.

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by deathanatos »

adrianN wrote: post #184
deathanatos wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why they hate Finder I can never remember how to open a file ; it should be easy , like Enter (rename?!) or Space (open a window with the icon made huge?) or maybe even desperately Shift+Space (same as Space, but animate it much more slowly and don't let you kill it until it's done animating many rage-inducing seconds later!) (It's Cmd+O.) Navigate to? (I don't think it exists.) Copy works, but move doesn't. There'…

No offense, but you should RTFM. You can move and delete and go to folder. As with many Apple UIs these "advanced" features are not easily discovered.

I Googled the open shortcut prior to writing the post; I'll admit I didn't Google them all.

It seems that move is possible, it's ⌘+C, ⌥+⌘+V, but that really doesn't feel intuitive (though you might argue I'm too used to Win/Linux keyboard commands). Finder's own context menu only denotes ⌘+X, unless you hold ⌥, which I just learned after wondering how the search box was able to find this item in the menu that I'd never seen.

Found some other ones. I didn't think moving or opening a file was an "advanced" feature. Opening in particular seems like such a prominent, common operation that it should have a more prominent place on the keyboard than ⌘+O

> RTFM

Is there a manual? The Help's search was a bit useful in pointing out some menu items I'd missed, but the menu really just has "Mac Help", which appears to be about the entire OS, not Finder.

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by mherrmann »

slrz wrote: post #204

If I buy this, do I get the source code in a modifiable and non-obfuscated form, even if not under the terms of an OSS license (i.e. no redistribution)? I mean, it's a programmer's tool so not having sources would be a big downside.

Nope, sorry. If that is a hard requirement for you, then you'll have to find an alternative.

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by dflock »

mherrmann wrote: post #201
dflock wrote: post #145

Glad I looked inside the .deb file before I installed this. It does the following things: - Adds `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list - Adds `/etc/cron.daily/fman`, which does this: #!/bin/sh update-fman The `/usr/bin/update-fman` script does this: #!/bin/sh set -e apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist="/etc/apt/sources.list.d/fman.list" -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts="-" -o APT::Get::List-Cleanup="0" apt-get install --only…

I didn't know it was considered such a bad practice, sorry. I will either remove this or ask permission from the user BEFORE doing it [1]. [1]: https://trello.com/c/LZcZRM8a/153-linux-don-t-install-auto-u...

I would suggest just removing it. Debian/Linux have a system wide update mechanism for everything - the OS & apps - and it's very strongly preferred that you just use that.

The UX of asking stuff during install is also pretty bad - and goes against the grain; it's vanishingly rare that Linux install packages ask questions. Even if you make it a startup/in-app/config option, it would also be a strange question to ask on Linux:

Would you like auto-updates? Of course, everything on linux auto-updates, why do you ask? No - I mean would you like me to force-update just fman everyday? What? No!

Also, don't forget to update this page while you're at it: https://fman.io/docs/obtaining-updates

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by Razengan »

deathanatos wrote: post #179
Razengan wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can people even explain why they hate Finder, or is it just a fashionable bandwagon to jump on? While I do prefer Path Finder [1] for file-heavy workflows, Finder is perfectly usable with a few tweaks here and there: - Get TinkerTool [2] to show hidden and system files, pathname in the window title etc. - Tweak and create your own keyboard shortcuts for Finder in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> App Sho…

> why they hate Finder I can never remember how to open a file ; it should be easy , like Enter (rename?!) or Space (open a window with the icon made huge?) or maybe even desperately Shift+Space (same as Space, but animate it much more slowly and don't let you kill it until it's done animating many rage-inducing seconds later!) (It's Cmd+O.) Navigate to? (I don't think it exists.) Copy works, but move doesn't. There'…

It's a menu command; ⌘O for Open, or ⌘+DownArrow for Navigate Into (as opposed to ⌘+UpArrow for Navigate Out/Enclosing Folder). You can search for menu commands in any app's Help menu (try it!)

Other than "That's how it works in Windows so it should be like that in every OS" people don't really give a reason for WHY Enter should be used for launching apps and files from a file manager. To me using Enter to enter text editing (rename) feels more intuitive and personally, I appreciate that you cannot accidentally start processes with a single keypress.

As for modifying favorites, drag items into the Sidebar. How is that not intuitive? Common locations are in the Go menu.

"Delete Immediately" is Alt+Option+Backspace, which shows up when searching for "Delete" in the Help search box, but again, when working in the GUI the Trash is supposed to remain a default safeguard against accidental deletion.

You can change most shortcuts for any app from System Preferences -> Keyboard.

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by Razengan »

nkkollaw wrote: post #100
Razengan wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can people even explain why they hate Finder, or is it just a fashionable bandwagon to jump on? While I do prefer Path Finder [1] for file-heavy workflows, Finder is perfectly usable with a few tweaks here and there: - Get TinkerTool [2] to show hidden and system files, pathname in the window title etc. - Tweak and create your own keyboard shortcuts for Finder in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> App Sho…

Finder is the best file manager that I've ever used. If anything, because it's the only one with column view that also sorts files in a rational manner (to me, at least): every element inside the parent directory is sorted alphabetically. It's got a minimalistic design versus Windows Explorer having a button for every operation you can perform, and it's easy to use via keyboard shortcuts. Its only defects is that it…

> It's got a minimalistic design versus Windows Explorer

I recently installed Windows 10 to play a few games, the latest version available from Microsoft, hoping that it would have improved since the last time I saw Windows over a year ago, and I wish I could describe this without hyperbole, but the user interface remains a veritable nightmare.

Re: Show HN: fman – file manager for programmers

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Post by alvil »

splitbrain wrote: post #8

Hmm the linux download gives me a .deb file only. I know I could try to extract the binary from it... but I'm too lazy. (ArchLinux user)

I see any reason to distribute this as a .deb package for Linux. Why is this not distributed like Sublime Text? As tar.gz or tar.bz2 to extract and run?
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