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Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by rpwilcox »

ckinsey wrote: post #9
rpwilcox wrote: post #5

What kind of filter will be in place to be assured that these are full stack jobs? For example, for the Bradford and Galt Consulting Python/Django job... "some Javascript". This does not scream "full stack" job to me, "some Javascript". What do they use for DevOps? Will I get to write C or Go? Unless they use the SomeJavascriptMVC.js framework, I'm guessing their JS is... mostly trivial. To say nothing of DevSales or…

The filter is not there yet, but it will be soon. We've got a proprietary algorithm in development that identifies the scope of both a candidates skills and the skills required by a position. Without divulging too much secret sauce, we'll be filtering out positions that do not meet our definition of "full stack" and we'll also be conveying to candidates just how "full stack" each position is with a rating system.

It'll be interesting to see what, if any gradients emerge.

Technically the "generic OSS based web" stack starts at debugging Linux kernel code (and sys admin coughDevOpscough), up through the OSI layer (with particular stops at the application(?)/HTTP-serving layer (and supporting code! aka: breaking out C to write a faster Rails router) and then again at the WebKit/Blink rendering engines, plus v8/JavascriptCore-whatever-Safari-names it, through CSS (Safari's CSS JIT work anyone?) through behaviors of said implementations. Plus add a stack of project management, requirements analysis, business analyst, and product design/UX.

To make this problem worse that's just one of many stacks. The native app development stack. The good boys and girls doing work with custom hardware (robotics, waldos etc) with realtime hardware requirements for example. A "generic MS based stack" which behaves similar in parts with very noticeable differences in places. Etc.

How-some-ever I suspect most, if not all of your employers will be looking for some sliver of the "full stack". Like the employer I mentioned earlier, whose definition of full stack is "Mostly Server-side Python but you should be OK at simple HTML/JS/CSS too". Or the new startups looking for people who can "write Javascript on the serverside too!"

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by ckinsey »

rpwilcox wrote: post #21
ckinsey wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The filter is not there yet, but it will be soon. We've got a proprietary algorithm in development that identifies the scope of both a candidates skills and the skills required by a position. Without divulging too much secret sauce, we'll be filtering out positions that do not meet our definition of "full stack" and we'll also be conveying to candidates just how "full stack" each position is with a rating system.

It'll be interesting to see what, if any gradients emerge. Technically the "generic OSS based web" stack starts at debugging Linux kernel code (and sys admin cough DevOps cough ), up through the OSI layer (with particular stops at the application(?)/HTTP-serving layer (and supporting code! aka: breaking out C to write a faster Rails router) and then again at the WebKit/Blink rendering engines, plus v8/JavascriptCore-…

The reality is that "Full Stack" means different things to different people, as evidenced by some of the threads here.

That said, "people who can fill multiple roles" isn't exactly a marketable title for a demographic. And while "full stack" may have a variable degree of definitions, there is a commonality between them, and it resonates with our target audience.

You're right, different gradients will emerge and we'll facilitate that--we'll be the ones grading them, in fact, and make it easy for you to find the jobs that align with your skill set.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by coolsunglasses »

chc wrote: post #20
coolsunglasses wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a full stack dev that's built out distributed systems and has filled in for the role of "resident DBA" while still doing backend and frontend dev. Now I'm learning biomedical NLP. So what do we call me? Stuffed-full-stack dev? There's more to life than knowing Rails and Coffeescript.

Note that the phrase employed here was "full-stack web dev ". It sounds like you aren't doing web development, so that would be the distinction.

The point in time I was referring to, was full-stack web dev plus DBA & scale-out work.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by noir_lord »

Not sure what a full stack developer even is.

Take me for example...

I've been programming since the 80's (started at 7), I have 16 years experience with Linux as both a desktop and a server OS, I've programmed for money (often as side jobs) in VB6, Delphi, C# and PHP/Python.

I've put entire systems into production from design to deployment, some of which have up-time’s measured in years.

I know database design (I can normalise, understand the value of key constraints, views, triggers etc), I know a couple of different PHP frameworks (I currently use Laravel for most things with composer and vagrant). I know my way around JS mostly (I generally just pick up what I need on the front end), I have an excellent knowledge of HTML and CSS.

I also have a good grasp of SME networking (I ran the network for a multi-occupancy shared office building as well as been in-house developer).

That is about a tenth of the crap I've picked up over the years.

Am I a "full stack developer"?

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by krapp »

noir_lord wrote: post #24

Not sure what a full stack developer even is. Take me for example... I've been programming since the 80's (started at 7), I have 16 years experience with Linux as both a desktop and a server OS, I've programmed for money (often as side jobs) in VB6, Delphi, C# and PHP/Python. I've put entire systems into production from design to deployment, some of which have up-time’s measured in years. I know database design (I ca…

I bet if you started calling yourself one you could get away with it.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by noinput »

noir_lord wrote: post #24

Not sure what a full stack developer even is. Take me for example... I've been programming since the 80's (started at 7), I have 16 years experience with Linux as both a desktop and a server OS, I've programmed for money (often as side jobs) in VB6, Delphi, C# and PHP/Python. I've put entire systems into production from design to deployment, some of which have up-time’s measured in years. I know database design (I ca…

But do you blend?

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by dccoolgai »

ckinsey wrote: post #3

Hi Guys--I'm a co-founder at HeapSort. We just launched our MVP this week and we're looking for constructive feedback from the developer and startup communities. In the coming weeks we'll be launching a series of powerful resume building tools specifically for full stack engineers. It's not just another job board--we're going to totally change the way developers convey their skills to employers. We welcome any though…

I just found a job a couple months back, and I love it so far...but my eperience in the marketplace was terrible...tech recruiters are so bad...I am all for anything that moves the ball forward even a little bit in this arena and this seems to be in the right channel. Hopefully this is still around when I am back on the market again.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Post by doughj3 »

rschmitty wrote: post #29

It would be nice for job boards to require companies to post salary ranges. But I guess you wouldnt get much traction from companies that way because they want all the leverage..

To some extent, this is what Hired.com (formerly Developer Auction) is trying to resolve. I think they're able to coax salaries upfront from companies because they filter and curate the applicants.
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