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Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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FYI Gargl vs Kimono - mentioned at the bottom original article. http://jodoglevy.com/jobloglevy/?p=146

I'll throw my scraper creator in the ring too: http://exfiltrate.org/

I made a scraper meant for introductory projects in CS classes! (http://mickey.cs.vt.edu/)

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

#22

FYI Gargl vs Kimono - mentioned at the bottom original article. http://jodoglevy.com/jobloglevy/?p=146

I'll throw my scraper creator in the ring too: http://exfiltrate.org/

Nice, I like it! Pretty easy to use. Only problem is that I couldn't download any file =) When I try downloading a file, it just shows a green box saying it downloaded.

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is naturally a rather ubiquitous route around getting blocked: use Tor How about fuck you? Seriously, don't use Tor for scraping sites. Webmasters can and will block Tor exit nodes if they feel the bad traffic outweighs the good.

You have a valid point, but the "fuck you" is unnecessary. I hope that HN will stay place where people can have civil debates, drawing on evidence instead of emotions.

I don't think it's really meant as an insult in this case. It's a common phrasing often used by the Zed Shaw-style "opinionated"/"brogrammer"/"macho" crowd within the Ruby on Rails community. It's not worth taking seriously, to be honest.

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a valid point, but the "fuck you" is unnecessary. I hope that HN will stay place where people can have civil debates, drawing on evidence instead of emotions.

It sounds like a very purposeful and directed "fuck you" to me. He's not being rude or crass, he's making the concise and vehement point that if you are a bad actor on Tor, you are harming everyone and he will hate you for it. Enlightening debates don't come about when everyone mutes their politically incorrect emotions and speaks in platitudes, they come about when people respect each other and can speak simple trut…

When I'm deciding if an online comment is civil and productive, I tend to ask the question, Would the commenter be willing to say this the same way in real life?

Plenty of people use the Internet's cloak of anonymity to say things that are inconsiderate. I use this simple test to determine if they would stand behind their remarks if accountability were in play and anonymity were not a factor.

I think it's well understood that "fuck you" is considered an offensive term in the context of a disagreement between two strangers. My morning commute has illustrated this point on a few occasions. :)

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a valid point, but the "fuck you" is unnecessary. I hope that HN will stay place where people can have civil debates, drawing on evidence instead of emotions.

It sounds like a very purposeful and directed "fuck you" to me. He's not being rude or crass, he's making the concise and vehement point that if you are a bad actor on Tor, you are harming everyone and he will hate you for it. Enlightening debates don't come about when everyone mutes their politically incorrect emotions and speaks in platitudes, they come about when people respect each other and can speak simple trut…

It's possible OP didn't realize what he was proposing would have a negative impact. Rather than assuming that, we could've just said something like: "Do NOT do that! Because of {these things}. And {these other things} will happen to you and other people."

There are plenty of ways to say politically incorrect things without being rude. One thing I like about HN (as opposed to reddit) is the information density -- it's higher because jokes and snark are frowned upon.

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like a very purposeful and directed "fuck you" to me. He's not being rude or crass, he's making the concise and vehement point that if you are a bad actor on Tor, you are harming everyone and he will hate you for it. Enlightening debates don't come about when everyone mutes their politically incorrect emotions and speaks in platitudes, they come about when people respect each other and can speak simple trut…

When I'm deciding if an online comment is civil and productive, I tend to ask the question, Would the commenter be willing to say this the same way in real life? Plenty of people use the Internet's cloak of anonymity to say things that are inconsiderate. I use this simple test to determine if they would stand behind their remarks if accountability were in play and anonymity were not a factor. I think it's well unders…

In real life you can frown to communicate your extreme disapproval. You can grit your teeth, kick the dirt, squeeze your fists, and do all sorts of non-verbal gyrations before having to spit out a simple 'fuck you' in order to communicate.

This isn't 'real life'. This is text-based communication.

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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I'll throw my scraper creator in the ring too: http://exfiltrate.org/

Nice, I like it! Pretty easy to use. Only problem is that I couldn't download any file =) When I try downloading a file, it just shows a green box saying it downloaded.

Thanks. Which browser are you using?

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

#29

FYI Gargl vs Kimono - mentioned at the bottom original article. http://jodoglevy.com/jobloglevy/?p=146

I'll throw my scraper creator in the ring too: http://exfiltrate.org/

Here's another one. They're pretty good at scale too: http://import.io

Re: Show HN: Gargl – Create an API for any website, without writing a line of code

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post #18
post #8

I think a better business model would be creating a service that identifies scrapers, and then blocks them. I think one might already exist, though I can't remember its name.

I don't think either is a really great idea. I think most of the people who would pay to block web scrapers are either being paranoid or are being scraped by people smart and resourceful enough to get around your filters. Any serious web scraper is going to be scripting a real browser engine, so it's going to act just like a real visitor.

There are ways to detect scrapers and other bots if you really want to and services that do so.
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