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Re: Show HN: NoSuggest – Watch YouTube without the recommendation algorithm

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Post by seirim »

VJ-2-108 wrote: post #14
seirim wrote: post #10

hi, my feedback is that I would like to be able to create an account, because I have my browser (Firefox) set to always clear all cookies and history on shutdown, so when I re-open this later I assume all my added channels would be lost, and would need to start from scratch. If it wasn't for that, I think it's great and would use it.

Hey Seirim, totally valid concern. The app uses localStorage so yes, clearing cookies/history on shutdown would wipe your channels. Accounts are off the table for now since the whole point is zero sign-in friction and zero data collection. But if it helps, you can download the PWA app to your mobile and use it. Thank you very much! Hoping NoSuggest would be useful to you in any ways.

Ok, there must be a way, though, just encrypt the personal channels chose with the user's password so you don't know what they have chosen, and don't track anything? And I think most people aren't too worried about it being known what their favorite 10 channels are, for example, yeah? And if you don't track what they actually watch at all, that info isn't very interesting.

Re: Show HN: NoSuggest – Watch YouTube without the recommendation algorithm

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Post by VJ-2-108 »

seirim wrote: post #21
VJ-2-108 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Seirim, totally valid concern. The app uses localStorage so yes, clearing cookies/history on shutdown would wipe your channels. Accounts are off the table for now since the whole point is zero sign-in friction and zero data collection. But if it helps, you can download the PWA app to your mobile and use it. Thank you very much! Hoping NoSuggest would be useful to you in any ways.

Ok, there must be a way, though, just encrypt the personal channels chose with the user's password so you don't know what they have chosen, and don't track anything? And I think most people aren't too worried about it being known what their favorite 10 channels are, for example, yeah? And if you don't track what they actually watch at all, that info isn't very interesting.

That is a fair point and I hear you. The encrypted account idea is interesting. How about an export/import feature where you can save your channel list as a file and reload it anytime, or even a shareable link that encodes your channels in the URL like PCPartPicker does with builds. It would be faster than login. And no account creation and no tracking as promised. Would that solve your problem?

Re: Show HN: NoSuggest – Watch YouTube without the recommendation algorithm

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Post by VJ-2-108 »

rmnclmnt wrote: post #24

Is this using the youtube per-channel RSS feeds? For people already using RSS feed readers, this is another way to achieve the same result (i do that with miniflux)

Yes, it is using RSS feeds per channel and also there are multiple fallbacks built. NoSuggest is a curated experience just like YouTube but without algorithm recommendations.

Re: Show HN: NoSuggest – Watch YouTube without the recommendation algorithm

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Post by charcircuit »

seirim wrote: post #10

hi, my feedback is that I would like to be able to create an account, because I have my browser (Firefox) set to always clear all cookies and history on shutdown, so when I re-open this later I assume all my added channels would be lost, and would need to start from scratch. If it wasn't for that, I think it's great and would use it.

If you manually disable persistence for a website you shouldn't complain that there is no persistence. It's not other people's job to workaround limitations you yourself setup. Consider having your setup clearing data for this specific site if you want that data to persist.

Re: Show HN: NoSuggest – Watch YouTube without the recommendation algorithm

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Post by aboardRat4 »

Great idea, but requires learning a new UI, doesn't fetch "streams"...

In any case, it's great to see the family of FBPurity and Antigram being joined by a new tool.

>I would love genuine feedback. Thank you very much for your attention on this matter

Maybe a harsh thing to say, but I'd say that the approach is wrong. I think that the approach by FBPurity and Antigram is more practical. Just hook into the website itself, hide the dopamine-production inducing elements, such as "shorts", hide recommendations, but keep the UI the same.

Re: Show HN: NoSuggest – Watch YouTube without the recommendation algorithm

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Post by seirim »

VJ-2-108 wrote: post #23
seirim wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, there must be a way, though, just encrypt the personal channels chose with the user's password so you don't know what they have chosen, and don't track anything? And I think most people aren't too worried about it being known what their favorite 10 channels are, for example, yeah? And if you don't track what they actually watch at all, that info isn't very interesting.

That is a fair point and I hear you. The encrypted account idea is interesting. How about an export/import feature where you can save your channel list as a file and reload it anytime, or even a shareable link that encodes your channels in the URL like PCPartPicker does with builds. It would be faster than login. And no account creation and no tracking as promised. Would that solve your problem?

Yes that would be cool. Just generally I'd say I'm ok with making accounts for 1000 other things that are a lot higher stakes info than my favorite youtube channels. But if it becomes a bookmark or something saveable than ok cool maybe that works.
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