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Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by LukeB42 »

rschristian wrote: post #20
LukeB42 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you but the predominant monitor's probably a smartphone. The average professional is probably using a 4k monitor at the moment. Everything in the free documentation I've provided you out of my own time and money that you're referring to exists in relation to the other elements in that page, so to get the experience you're after simply ctrl+scroll and change the CSS zoom level like the riot at parties that you c…

"Zoom in" or "buy a different monitor" is not an appropriate response to people bringing up the plethora of objective & subjective a11y issues on the page. If you really don't care about providing an accessible experience, try this: no one will use the tool if they can't read the docs. With my monitor and eyesight, it's entirely illegible.

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Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by ricardobeat »

chrismorgan wrote: post #14
DiabloD3 wrote: post #2

I was going to say that font is unreadable, but its Courier New. By my own extensive testing[1], it's optimal at minimum 18px, you're at 13.5px. [1]: https://github.com/Diablo-D3/dotfiles/blob/master/fontsizes....

Courier New is a bad font that no one should choose to use. In typical font-weight terms, where Regular should be 400, it’s 200–250, because it was improperly digitised, not taking ink bleed into account. Windows put some hacks into ClearType to make it render a little less badly, but they’re not dependable these days. (“Courier”, as provided by macOS, is fine. But Courier New is irredeemably bad.) Concerning font-fa…

It renders terribly on sizes below ~14px, even on a Retina display. No anti-aliasing setting can save it.

A modern typeface like IBM Plex Mono [1] or Office Code Pro [2] that offers more weights and can still render nicely at 10px size would be a better choice, maintaining the same aesthetic.

[1] https://fonts.google.com/specimen/IBM+Plex+Mono

[2] https://open-foundry.com/fonts/office-code-pro

Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by ricardobeat »

6r17 wrote: post #5

1kloc is a bit abstract ; it seems you are in a great position to give a true bundled weight ; preact is about 3kb which is my fav for years - good job for the effort and results !

The library is actually ~1400 lines of code, and 51KB in size. Not very slim by JS framework standards, so focusing on that for the headline feels misleading.

Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by throwup238 »

LukeB42 wrote: post #16
hirako2000 wrote: post #15

A bit surprised to see a new framework boasting to ship as UMD. Are developers still using commonjs? I'm sure some continue to CDN inject libraries. But even then ESM is well supported.

Would you prefer to see ESM or neither?

ES6 modules. Tooling can take care of generating UMD from that as a single source of truth and since it’s the language standard for years now it’s the best supported format in the ecosystem. At this point UMD/CommonJS/etc are historical artifacts only useful to legacy codebases and by now they’ve all adopted whatever ESM->legacy compilation pipeline they need.

Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by DrammBA »

> Also exhibits the curious quality of being faster than over a decade of engineering at Facebook in some cases

Vertex is faster in 2 tests (12% and 32%), and slower in 2 other tests (149% and 200%). Very curious wording on the OP when react is an order of magnitude faster than vertex in some cases.

Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by skeeter2020 »

LukeB42 wrote: post #3
DiabloD3 wrote: post #2

I was going to say that font is unreadable, but its Courier New. By my own extensive testing[1], it's optimal at minimum 18px, you're at 13.5px. [1]: https://github.com/Diablo-D3/dotfiles/blob/master/fontsizes....

Beauty /is/ in the eye of the beholder. The rationale /here/ is that the more text in a page the more code you'll fit in your head the more you'll get done, the more confidence you'll have and again the more you'll achieve.

>> is that the more text in a page the more code you'll fit in your head the more you'll get done

I don't know in what world that makes any sense. Or why someone would want to "fit code" in their head...

Re: Show HN: Vertex.js – A 1kloc SPA Framework

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Post by skeeter2020 »

rschristian wrote: post #20
LukeB42 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you but the predominant monitor's probably a smartphone. The average professional is probably using a 4k monitor at the moment. Everything in the free documentation I've provided you out of my own time and money that you're referring to exists in relation to the other elements in that page, so to get the experience you're after simply ctrl+scroll and change the CSS zoom level like the riot at parties that you c…

"Zoom in" or "buy a different monitor" is not an appropriate response to people bringing up the plethora of objective & subjective a11y issues on the page. If you really don't care about providing an accessible experience, try this: no one will use the tool if they can't read the docs. With my monitor and eyesight, it's entirely illegible.

read the rest of the author's responses here. Everything comes across as very defensive and "take it or leave it". OK, you're the one trying to get me to adopt yet another SPA framework in 2026 so I guess I'll leave it.
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