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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by dceddia »

This look nice! I was curious about being allowed to use a Claude Pro/Max subscription vs an API key, since there's been so much buzz about that lately, so I went looking for a solid answer.

Thankfully the official Agent SDK Quickstart guide says that you can: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/quickstart

In particular, this bit:

"After installing Claude Code onto your machine, run claude in your terminal and follow the prompts to authenticate. The SDK will use this authentication automatically."

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by johntash »

Johnny_Bonk wrote: post #18

Can you use MCP tools? I saw that with open claw they moved away from that which I personally didn't like but

I somewhat like the idea of not using MCP as much as it is being hyped.

It's certainly helpful for some things, but at the same time - I would rather improved CLI tools get created that can be used by humans and llm tools alike.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by jckahn »

thepoet wrote: post #6

One of the things that makes Clawdbot great is the allow all permissions to do anything. Not sure how those external actions with damaging consequences get sandboxed with this. Apple containers have been great especially that each of them maps 1:1 to a dedicated lightweight VM. Except for a bug or two that appeared in the early releases, things seem to be working out well. I believe not a lot of projects are leveragi…

> One of the things that makes Clawdbot great is the allow all permissions to do anything.

Is this materially different than giving all files on your system 777 permissions?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by redfloatplane »

dceddia wrote: post #21

This look nice! I was curious about being allowed to use a Claude Pro/Max subscription vs an API key, since there's been so much buzz about that lately, so I went looking for a solid answer. Thankfully the official Agent SDK Quickstart guide says that you can: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/quickstart In particular, this bit: "After installing Claude Code onto your machine, run claude in your terminal…

Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by firloop »

redfloatplane wrote: post #24
dceddia wrote: post #21

This look nice! I was curious about being allowed to use a Claude Pro/Max subscription vs an API key, since there's been so much buzz about that lately, so I went looking for a solid answer. Thankfully the official Agent SDK Quickstart guide says that you can: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/quickstart In particular, this bit: "After installing Claude Code onto your machine, run claude in your terminal…

Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.

Was there a brouhaha with OpenClaw or was that with OpenCode?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by disillusioned »

redfloatplane wrote: post #24
dceddia wrote: post #21

This look nice! I was curious about being allowed to use a Claude Pro/Max subscription vs an API key, since there's been so much buzz about that lately, so I went looking for a solid answer. Thankfully the official Agent SDK Quickstart guide says that you can: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/quickstart In particular, this bit: "After installing Claude Code onto your machine, run claude in your terminal…

Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.

Tons of chatter on Twitter making it sound like you'll get permabanned for doing this but... 1) how would they know if my requests are originating from Claude Code vs. OpenClaw? 2) how are we violating... anything? I'm working within my usage limits...

$70 or whatever to check if there's milk... just use your Claude Max subscription.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by redfloatplane »

firloop wrote: post #25
redfloatplane wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.

Was there a brouhaha with OpenClaw or was that with OpenCode?

I think you’re right and it was OpenCode. The semantic collisions are going to becpme more of a problem in the coming Cambrian explosion of software

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by jimminyx »

redfloatplane wrote: post #13

I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…

OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI.

I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.

I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me. I'm sharing it because I think it can be useful to other people. Not as production code but as a reference or starting point they can use to build (collaboratively with claude code) functional custom software for themselves.

I spent a weekend giving instructions to coding agents to build this. I put time and effort into the architecture, especially in relation to security. I chose to post while it's still rough because I need to close out my work on it for now - can't keep going down this rabbit hole the whole week :) I hope it will be useful to others.

BTW, I know the readme irked you but if you read it I promise it will make a lot more sense where this project is coming from ;)

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by disillusioned »

firloop wrote: post #25
redfloatplane wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.

Was there a brouhaha with OpenClaw or was that with OpenCode?

It was with OpenCode, but a LOT of the commentariat is insisting that running OpenClaw through subscription creds instead of API is out of TOS and will get you banhammered.
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