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There's always a loud someone who'll try to force their country's political issue du jour because "everything is political".

well that's what I want to avoid. What it means is that someone like xlibre-author could create a pr and I will not reject it.

I appreciate the desire to focus on the code.

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post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

It's kinda funny. There is a popular claim that goes something like "silence or inaction is implicit support for the status quo." The point is that there's not really such a thing as "not taking sides."

I don't quite agree with that, simply because no matter how many things you do take a stance on, there's always an infinite number of things that you haven't taken a stance on.

But when you go out of your way to explicitly mention that you're refusing to take a stance on all social or political issues, that actually does feel pretty close to explicit approval of the status quo for all social or political issues. Of course this likely was not the intent! So why say it at all?!

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I’m curious about some of the design choices.

Having a period / full stop as the EOL punctuation rather than a semicolon is a nice idea. But personally I think the idea of a line terminator is antiquated.

Using square brackets for strings feels superfluous when you have to quote the strings anyway. Was there a reason for this design?

I don’t like the “stop” keyword either. Is that doing anything special that the ‘.’ punctuation isn’t already doing? If so, that should be clearer.

Using whitespace to reference objects instead of ‘::’, ‘->’ or ‘.’ is also counterintuitive. However at least this is just familiarity issue; at least just so long as tabs and multiple spaces don’t break the method calls. Otherwise you then have an easy way to introduce hard-to-spot bugs.

Iteration syntax is weirdly terse compared to the verbosity of the rest of the language. I’m not saying the syntax is bad, but it feel jarring at first when compared to the design choices of the rest of the language.

On the positive side of things, it’s nice to see someone experimenting with language syntax. There’s definitely aspects I do like there too.

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#25

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"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

It's kinda funny. There is a popular claim that goes something like "silence or inaction is implicit support for the status quo." The point is that there's not really such a thing as "not taking sides." I don't quite agree with that, simply because no matter how many things you do take a stance on, there's always an infinite number of things that you haven't taken a stance on. But when you go out of your way to expli…

The stronger form of it is "Inaction in the face of oppression supports the oppressor."

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#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

It's kinda funny. There is a popular claim that goes something like "silence or inaction is implicit support for the status quo." The point is that there's not really such a thing as "not taking sides." I don't quite agree with that, simply because no matter how many things you do take a stance on, there's always an infinite number of things that you haven't taken a stance on. But when you go out of your way to expli…

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#27

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I was having doubts about this too. But in today's (geo)political climate it might be useful. Otherwise I can always delete it. But you're right, it's just a hammer.

and.. I want to avoid having to add a coc. Can try.

    - Why did you close your eyes ?
    - So that the room will be empty.
Your copy reads as "I'm a radical centrist and will die trying to preserve the status quo".

As it usually goes you'd then tolerate hateful, bigoted folks in the name of openness and Free Speech Absolutism™ (which is totally non-political /s) and chase away women, minorities and folks who care about them.

If this isn't your intention, a CoC is the way to go.

You regrettably can't make hate disappear by pretending it doesn't exist.

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#28
post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

> The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues

TBH despite what it claims, to me it sounds like a political statement by itself.

(also it is usually the developers of a language -or other project- being judged about their actions/beliefs, not the languages/projects themselves :-P)

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#29
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I don't quite get what the language means by being pure object oriented since it seems to support varinle assignment and thus side effects?

it means there are objects, everything is an object. That has nothing to do with side-effects.

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post #27

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and.. I want to avoid having to add a coc. Can try.

- Why did you close your eyes ? - So that the room will be empty. Your copy reads as "I'm a radical centrist and will die trying to preserve the status quo". As it usually goes you'd then tolerate hateful, bigoted folks in the name of openness and Free Speech Absolutism™ (which is totally non-political /s) and chase away women, minorities and folks who care about them. If this isn't your intention, a CoC is the way t…

I dont care what you or anyone else thinks. I give you a free tool. That's all.
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