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Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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> These devices should be outright illegal

why should protecting my belongings from thieves be illegal?

> You shouldn't go get back your belongings from a thief anyways.

you can also send the police to the thieves if you know where they are

seriously, there are like 10 stalkers worldwide but 2 billion thieves. most likely any stalking story was made up by thieves because they hate if people get their stuff back...

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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> These devices should be outright illegal why should protecting my belongings from thieves be illegal? > You shouldn't go get back your belongings from a thief anyways. you can also send the police to the thieves if you know where they are seriously, there are like 10 stalkers worldwide but 2 billion thieves. most likely any stalking story was made up by thieves because they hate if people get their stuff back...

> why should protecting my belongings from thieves be illegal?

A concealed tracker doesn’t protect you at all. It only aids in recovery.

> you can also send the police to the thieves if you know where they are

No, you can’t. The police do not recover stolen property based on an AirTag ping. They won’t lift a finger.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#25
Problems: if the thief steals your item while the AirTag is on, they can find and disable it.

Have you experimented with a setup (more complicated to package) where you have two AirTags and alternately power one at a time? Could that bypass apples detection whilst also broadcasting location?

Edit: at sufficiently small time durations to run under apples detection radar, but for long enough to be picked up as a location

I don’t know how Apple detects the tracking; this would easily be solved by them.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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> These devices should be outright illegal why should protecting my belongings from thieves be illegal? > You shouldn't go get back your belongings from a thief anyways. you can also send the police to the thieves if you know where they are seriously, there are like 10 stalkers worldwide but 2 billion thieves. most likely any stalking story was made up by thieves because they hate if people get their stuff back...

>why should protecting my belongings from thieves be illegal?

Making tracking devices illegal does not make it illegal to protect your belongings from thieves.

>there are like 10 stalkers worldwide

Given how many women I know who had issues with stalkers, all ten must live near me.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#28

> Events outside our control, such as Apple updating the firmware in the future to prevent the device from working, will not qualify for a refund. I fully understand why you would want to do this, but as a consumer I would never buy this product with this clause.

A reasonable solution would be to get to buy the newer model half-off if this happens. Obviously the maker can’t just have his entire biz nuked with refunds if Apple happens to update firmware.

I think you have your priorities wrong. Why should an unsustainable business be prioritized over consumer benefit?

Nobody has a right to a successful business but when consumers can trust their purchases they are more likely to make additional purchases.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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You have also developed a device that allows people to use AirTags for stalking.

As it's 4 hours off / 1 hour on, the device is not very suitable for stalking someone. Also once the AirTag is back on and the person starts moving, they will be alerted that the AirTag is tracking them.

That’s perfect for finding out where someone lives. Drop it in their bag or jacket at a concert/bar/work/whatever-in-the-evening, and the place they’re likely at in 4 hours is their home.

Not trying to be creepy, I’m just trying to demonstrate how we all need to think like adversaries (eg creeps) when designing products.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#30

> Events outside our control, such as Apple updating the firmware in the future to prevent the device from working, will not qualify for a refund. I fully understand why you would want to do this, but as a consumer I would never buy this product with this clause.

I understand your point. In this case the price point makes this a bearable risk, especially to protect much more valuable items. A refund is only useful if only a certain % of people have issue or the company is big. Since this is my only product, an Airtag update that bricks the devices would just bankrupt the company and make me unable to refund most people as my margin is very low anyway.
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