> One of the unique attributes of the (in-progress) Vortex file format is that it encodes the physical layout of the data within the file's footer. This allows the file format to be effectively self-describing and to evolve without breaking changes to the file format specification. That is quite interesting. One challenge in general with parqet and arrow in the otel / observability ecosystem is that the shape of data…
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#22Thank God this file format is written in Rust, otherwise I'd be extremely skeptical.
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#24Thank God this file format is written in Rust, otherwise I'd be extremely skeptical.
It gave me a moment of pause why Rust is part of the equation, but I concluded I'm too dumb
Thank god everyone wisened up. The tool maketh not the craftsman. These days the "written in rust" tag is met with knee jerk skepticism, as-if the hive mind over corrected.
Re: Show HN: Vortex – a high-performance columnar file format
#25“Vortex is a toolkit for working with compressed Apache Arrow arrays in-memory, on-disk, and over-the-wire.” So it’s a toolkit written in Rust. It is not a file format.
Perhaps that verbiage is just confusing. "On-disk" sort of implies "file format" but could be more explicit. That said, the immediate next line in the README perhaps clarifies a bit? "Vortex is designed to be to columnar file formats what Apache DataFusion is to query engines (or, analogously, what LLVM + Clang are to compilers): a highly extensible & extremely fast framework for building a modern columnar file forma…
It’s a framework for building file formats. This does not indicate that Vortex is, itself, a file format.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps that verbiage is just confusing. "On-disk" sort of implies "file format" but could be more explicit. That said, the immediate next line in the README perhaps clarifies a bit? "Vortex is designed to be to columnar file formats what Apache DataFusion is to query engines (or, analogously, what LLVM + Clang are to compilers): a highly extensible & extremely fast framework for building a modern columnar file forma…
“Vortex is […] a highly extensible & extremely fast framework for building a modern columnar file format.” It’s a framework for building file formats. This does not indicate that Vortex is, itself, a file format.
Perhaps we should clean up the wording in the intro, but yes there is in fact a file format!
We actually built the toolkit first, before building the file format. The interesting thing here is that we have a consistent in-memory and on-disk representation of compressed, typed arrays.
This is nice for a couple of reasons:
(a) It makes it really easy to test out new compression algorithms and compute functions. We just implement a new codec and it's automatically available for the file format.
(b) We spend a lot of energy on efficient push down. Many compute functions such as slicing and cloning are zero-cost, and all compute operations can execute directly over compressed data.
Highly encourage you to checkout the vortex-serde crate in the repo for file format things, and the vortex-datafusion crate for some examples of integrating the format into a query engine!
Re: Show HN: Vortex – a high-performance columnar file format
#27> One of the unique attributes of the (in-progress) Vortex file format is that it encodes the physical layout of the data within the file's footer. This allows the file format to be effectively self-describing and to evolve without breaking changes to the file format specification. That is quite interesting. One challenge in general with parqet and arrow in the otel / observability ecosystem is that the shape of data…
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#28Thank God this file format is written in Rust, otherwise I'd be extremely skeptical.
It gave me a moment of pause why Rust is part of the equation, but I concluded I'm too dumb
The previous generation of analytics/"Big Data" projects (think Hadoop, Spark, Kafka, Elastic) were all built in the JVM. They were monolithic distributed systems clusters hosted on VMs or on-premise. They were servers with clients implemented in Java. It is effectively impossible to embed a Java library into anything non-Java, the best you can do is fork a JVM with a carefully maintained classpath and hit it over the network (c.f. PySpark). Kafka has externally maintained bindings that lag the official JVM client.
Parquet was built during this era, so naturally its reference implementation was written in Java. For many years, the only implementation of Parquet was in Java. Even when parquet-cpp and subsequent implementations began to pop up, the Parquet Java implementation was still the best maintained. Over time as the spec got updated and new features made their way into Parquet, different implementations had different support. Files written by parquet-cpp or parquet-rs could not be opened via Spark or Presto.
The newer generation of data analytics tooling is meant to be easily embedded, so that generally means a native language that can export shared objects with a C ABI that can be consumed by the FFI layer of different languages. That leaves you a few options, and of those Rust is arguably the best for reasons of tooling and ecosystem, though different projects make different choices. DuckDB for example is an extremely popular library with bindings in several languages and it was built in C++ long after Rust became in-vogue.
While Vortex doesn't (yet) have a C API, we do have Python bindings that we expect to be the main way people use it.