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Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by Avamander »

ibdf wrote: post #10

I was writing them email templates 15 years ago... oh... look we are still using tables. How has email markup not evolved?

I've long wished for something like Markdown for email, but something that can actually be standardised and doesn't suffer so much under HTML's influence.

I guess Google tries/tried with AMP but it's not that and I doubt they have the resilience to keep the effort up for decades for it to catch on.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by dogas »

ibdf wrote: post #10

I was writing them email templates 15 years ago... oh... look we are still using tables. How has email markup not evolved?

We still have to use outdated layout / css techniques because some email clients (cough outlook) only support a limited set of HTML/CSS features, and they seem to have no plans to want to make things easier for those who send html emails.

See https://www.caniemail.com/scoreboard/ and take note of what's at the bottom of that list.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by Avamander »

dogas wrote: post #22
ibdf wrote: post #10

I was writing them email templates 15 years ago... oh... look we are still using tables. How has email markup not evolved?

We still have to use outdated layout / css techniques because some email clients ( cough outlook ) only support a limited set of HTML/CSS features, and they seem to have no plans to want to make things easier for those who send html emails. See https://www.caniemail.com/scoreboard/ and take note of what's at the bottom of that list.

> and they seem to have no plans to want to make things easier for those who send html emails.

We just need so called "Kobold letters" to catch on so that all the inconsistencies become an actual threat. I'm only partially joking.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by gav »

Avamander wrote: post #21
ibdf wrote: post #10

I was writing them email templates 15 years ago... oh... look we are still using tables. How has email markup not evolved?

I've long wished for something like Markdown for email, but something that can actually be standardised and doesn't suffer so much under HTML's influence. I guess Google tries/tried with AMP but it's not that and I doubt they have the resilience to keep the effort up for decades for it to catch on.

You can use MJML - https://mjml.io/ - which abstracts away a lot of the ugliness and Outlook hacks.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by NoboruWataya »

rmbyrro wrote: post #5

I have the personal impression that it would be a net positive if all emails were written as text. Ok, in some cases I see why html would make some sense. In those cases, my opinion is: send text and invite the person to view markup content in their browser. The e-mail context is not suitable for markup, styling, and all this stuff.

I would love first class support for some limited subset of markdown (same for browsers actually).

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by bilater »

ibdf wrote: post #10

I was writing them email templates 15 years ago... oh... look we are still using tables. How has email markup not evolved?

The argument for this I always get is security. Since email is so critical reducing the surface area of html/css supported somehow makes it secure. I...don't really buy it.
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