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Re: Show HN: Stream of Consciousness – watch an artificial persona making art

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Post by squigz »

jamez wrote: post #20
squigz wrote: post #19

> human uniqueness is being eroded Why does this bother so many people? The more we learn about life on our own tiny planet, and when you consider the size of the universe... certainly we're not very unique at all. So what? I don't think it should change anything.

I'm probably not the best person to elaborate on why societal anxieties arise every time our place in the universe shrinks. I guess observing reactions to copernican heliocentrism could be a good starting point. We're witnessing something similar, and while we may accept it at the individual level, the objections of the many will stir painful reactions.

Fair enough. I suppose understanding why any individual reacts the way they do would be a good starting point too, though.

Re: Show HN: Stream of Consciousness – watch an artificial persona making art

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Post by phyzome »

I guess I don't get it? It keeps talking about things it is reading, and then about its feelings, and never makes an image. It's pretty repetitive There's also a pseudo-3D environment that I can slightly interact with, but not meaningfully. (A pixelly GIF and a speech box that I can tilt and zoom.) Am I just getting a broken version of the thing?

Re: Show HN: Stream of Consciousness – watch an artificial persona making art

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Post by __loam »

squigz wrote: post #19

> human uniqueness is being eroded Why does this bother so many people? The more we learn about life on our own tiny planet, and when you consider the size of the universe... certainly we're not very unique at all. So what? I don't think it should change anything.

It bothers us because most of us have basic empathy. Also to train on the work of every artist then lament how human art resembles art generated by a machine trained to reproduce that art strikes me as a bit tone deaf.

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Post by __loam »

Sorry if this sounds harsh but I find it kind of funny that you're lamenting a loss of uniqueness and meaning in human art while operating a system that is basically designed to create derivative work while stripping all context and meaning from its training data. I think your reasoning is backwards. Nothing is wrong with human art, the systems you based this on are just completely lacking in the emotions you're looking for.

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Post by squigz »

__loam wrote: post #23
squigz wrote: post #19

> human uniqueness is being eroded Why does this bother so many people? The more we learn about life on our own tiny planet, and when you consider the size of the universe... certainly we're not very unique at all. So what? I don't think it should change anything.

It bothers us because most of us have basic empathy. Also to train on the work of every artist then lament how human art resembles art generated by a machine trained to reproduce that art strikes me as a bit tone deaf.

> It bothers us because most of us have basic empathy

I'm not really sure what empathy has to do with this?

> Also to train on the work of every artist then lament how human art resembles art generated by a machine trained to reproduce that art strikes me as a bit tone deaf.

Who did this?

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Post by __loam »

squigz wrote: post #25
__loam wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It bothers us because most of us have basic empathy. Also to train on the work of every artist then lament how human art resembles art generated by a machine trained to reproduce that art strikes me as a bit tone deaf.

> It bothers us because most of us have basic empathy I'm not really sure what empathy has to do with this? > Also to train on the work of every artist then lament how human art resembles art generated by a machine trained to reproduce that art strikes me as a bit tone deaf. Who did this?

> I'm not really sure what empathy has to do with this?

https://youtu.be/rjA5A86V6SY

> Who did this?

"I can't shake away the feeling that human uniqueness is being eroded and that we risk facing a crisis of meaning"

In the original post.

Re: Show HN: Stream of Consciousness – watch an artificial persona making art

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Post by visarga »

__loam wrote: post #24

Sorry if this sounds harsh but I find it kind of funny that you're lamenting a loss of uniqueness and meaning in human art while operating a system that is basically designed to create derivative work while stripping all context and meaning from its training data. I think your reasoning is backwards. Nothing is wrong with human art, the systems you based this on are just completely lacking in the emotions you're look…

Prompted, iterative generation of content is not like that, it is based on a novel experience of the interaction between human and AI, the AI assistant has guidance, feedback and grounding in the human interlocutor. Imagine millions or billions of such creative sessions, all ripe with ideas and feedback, that have been facilitated in part by AI, that is the novel experience that belongs to the model.

Unprompted generative art is interesting to see as a "walk through the latent space" of culture, it is a mirror house of ideas, where you can contemplate on the intricacies of our recorded collective experience. Considering the ingredients that went into cooking the model - all our culture - it represents the emergence of this data as a live interactive agent. How can we say the child of our culture is stripping all context and meaning?

Re: Show HN: Stream of Consciousness – watch an artificial persona making art

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Post by __loam »

visarga wrote: post #27
__loam wrote: post #24

Sorry if this sounds harsh but I find it kind of funny that you're lamenting a loss of uniqueness and meaning in human art while operating a system that is basically designed to create derivative work while stripping all context and meaning from its training data. I think your reasoning is backwards. Nothing is wrong with human art, the systems you based this on are just completely lacking in the emotions you're look…

Prompted, iterative generation of content is not like that, it is based on a novel experience of the interaction between human and AI, the AI assistant has guidance, feedback and grounding in the human interlocutor. Imagine millions or billions of such creative sessions, all ripe with ideas and feedback, that have been facilitated in part by AI, that is the novel experience that belongs to the model. Unprompted gener…

Sounds pretty awful to me bud. If an AI art model generates some images in a latent space, and no one is around to see it, does it make a sound?

I'd prefer we not rely on horrifically inefficient, expensive, and statistically boring corporate software to generate culture. Feel free to use the lens given to you by thieves if that's how you want to experience the heritage of your civilization I guess.

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