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Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by sodality2 »

thimp wrote: post #17
jbverschoor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a reworked email protocol, created by fastmail. Basically email over json (send + receive) instead of imap+smtp. https://jmap.io/

Got it. Fuck that. JSON has no part in an email stack. Have we not learned from our failures as a species. Edit: I've got 99 problems and 98 of them are JSON on a regular basis. Poor parsers, problems dealing with numeric values, terrible terrible schema support, poor encapsulation support, large things attached to it in base64 (difficult to stream on most parsers), difficult to read without external tools which actu…

Why is JSON inherently unfit for an email stack...? It's just a transfer format. If it's designed well, it shouldn't matter if it's JSON or CBOR or anything else.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by Nextgrid »

Is there a way to unlock the custom JMAP server option? Currently it says coming soon - is the feature actually missing or is just disabled due to being experimental, and if so is there a secret keyboard shortcut/etc to enable it? Been meaning to play with JMAP but the lack of native clients thus far has been a problem.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by jbverschoor »

thimp wrote: post #17
jbverschoor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a reworked email protocol, created by fastmail. Basically email over json (send + receive) instead of imap+smtp. https://jmap.io/

Got it. Fuck that. JSON has no part in an email stack. Have we not learned from our failures as a species. Edit: I've got 99 problems and 98 of them are JSON on a regular basis. Poor parsers, problems dealing with numeric values, terrible terrible schema support, poor encapsulation support, large things attached to it in base64 (difficult to stream on most parsers), difficult to read without external tools which actu…

It's actually pretty great (for submission and reading)

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by sonofhans »

amluto wrote: post #19

Does this work offline? Fastmail’s first party iOS app has such an amazing lack of offline functionality that I’m seriously considering canceling my Fastmail subscription. (Also the lack of threading is getting old.)

FWIW I’ve been using native iOS mail with Fastmail forever and it works perfectly for me.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by danesparza »

GrinningFool wrote: post #11

This looks good, but I'm not clear why it's a subscription. I'm happy to pay for upgrades when a new version with new features is offered; and I'm happy to not pay if the new version isn't compelling enough. (Sometimes support for major OS upgrades is enough of a feature.) I'm increasingly disinclined to feed the subscription-based software economy, especially for the personal tools I use.

Yeah -- I was confused too. Is the subscription just for the client, or does it come with an email account?

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by pembrook »

Kluggy wrote: post #2

Over all, I like how it looks, but the price seems high. $3 a month is almost as much as I pay for email service. Plus it seems weird to double drip. I’m already subscribed to you for the email service and you want me to almost double that price for a client to use it? Will the existing Fastmail app be deprecated to force folks to the new subscription app?

$3/month? Seriously?

Does nobody here see the irony of being a community of people who make their income working in software that refuses to pay even $3/month for software? Ditto for the universal hatred of ad-based business models.

This is why the consumer market for software is basically non-existent. Consumers value their time at $0 so they get free tools subsidized by intrusive ads or expensive hardware.

Businesses make more rational decisions with their time and resources. To the developer of this cool product, I recommend targeting B2B instead.

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