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Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by giancarlostoro »

i67vw3 wrote: post #17
user_7832 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their policies have apparently… changed. They accept donations to not have your website bypassed. Archive.org is much better. Edit: apparently it is down now. 402: PAYMENT_REQUIRED Code: DEPLOYMENT_DISABLED ID: fra1::8wkv2-1699275385535-39dedae23d6a

Archive.today never fails compared to Archive.org or various browser extensions To remove paywalls 12ft<Archive.org<Archive.today is my opinion.

For some reason all the alternative "archive.XYZXDHWIQHDQ" type of sites always give me a captcha page, and I am never able to proceed. I'm assuming its to do with the cloudflare DNS, well if they don't care to fix it on their end, I don't care to use their service.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by sva_ »

ktpsns wrote: post #9

I got the feeling that these features should be part of a browser extension the same way as there are AdBlock extensions. I guess the reason it is not is "personal preference" of the author, or is there some technical reason?

> these features should be part of a browser extension

You mean like Bypass Paywall Clean?

https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by paulgb »

some1else wrote: post #10

Relevant: 12ft.io was banned by Vercel, taking down the developer's entire account with multiple other hosted projects & domains: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1718663563353755982 Edit: Access to other projects & domains was apparently restored some time after: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1719480558932148272

Taking down all his projects (not just 12ft) is heavy-handed, but otherwise Guillermo’s response in that thread seems pretty reasonable to me:

> Hey Thomas. Your paywall-bypassing site broke our ToS and created hundreds of hours of support time spent on all the outreach from the impacted businesses.

> Our support team reached out to you on Oct 14th to let you know this was unsustainable and to try to work with you.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by narinxas »

janejeon wrote: post #24

Really dummy question: how do services like this work? As in, how do they bypass these paywalls? The obvious thing is to mock Googlebot, but site owners can check that the request isn't coming from a Google-published IP and see that it's a fake, right?

> site owners can check that the request isn't coming from a Google-published IP and see that it's a fake, right?

just because they can doesn't mean they will... also most "site owners" are (by this point) a completely different people than "site operators" (who I take to be the 'engineers' who indeed can check this IP things)

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

jdiff wrote: post #15
user_7832 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their policies have apparently… changed. They accept donations to not have your website bypassed. Archive.org is much better. Edit: apparently it is down now. 402: PAYMENT_REQUIRED Code: DEPLOYMENT_DISABLED ID: fra1::8wkv2-1699275385535-39dedae23d6a

Is it donations they accept or legal threats?

Yes.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by withinboredom »

2cpu1container wrote: post #4
SigmundurM wrote: post #2

You mention 13ft as another open source inspiration. How is Ladder improving on what 13ft does?

I did try 13ft. But it misses several points. The ladder applies custom rules to inject code. It basically modifies the origin website to remove the Paywall. It rewrites (most of) the links and assets in the origins HTML to avoid CORS Errors by routing thru the local proxy. The ladder uses Golangs fiber/fasthttp, which is significantly faster than Python (biased opinion) . Several small features like basic auth ...

> The ladder uses Golangs fiber/fasthttp, which is significantly faster than Python

I have a feeling that this performance difference is practically imperceptible to regular humans. It's like optimizing CPU performance when the bottleneck is the database.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by canadianfella »

abofh wrote: post #16
some1else wrote: post #10

Relevant: 12ft.io was banned by Vercel, taking down the developer's entire account with multiple other hosted projects & domains: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1718663563353755982 Edit: Access to other projects & domains was apparently restored some time after: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1719480558932148272

Lovely, the Google classic "ban the world" approach -- I've been desperately trying to move my client off of vercel, this might just be the gasoline.

Why desperately?
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