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Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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Dividends are useless, because the stock falls in value relative to the dividend when it is paid.

But what if you prefer that steady income? It’s a honest question.

If you believe that your dividend is just being subtracted from the value of the company you invested in then it is equivalent to selling a small proportion of a non dividend paying stock every month/quarter/year as you prefer.

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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Dividends are useless, because the stock falls in value relative to the dividend when it is paid.

How much tax do you pay on dividends compared to realised gains on stocks? These two are rarely the same and sometimes a dividend is taxed preferably.

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dividends allow you to obtain money from the business without giving up control. Small distinction, and only really relevant to those with large holdings.

Dividends as a concept are excellent, because they allow generating income on an appreciating asset. But I've seen exactly none that beats the S&P 500 on a long timescale, even with dividends reinvested.

Are you talking about a single company not beating s&p or a portfolio of companies paying dividends?

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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What is laid out here is called "yield chasing". Companies with extraorbitant dividend yield often end up losing much more on a 5Y timescale. There are very, very few companies that pay more than 3% and not end up losing money on the long run. (And even that is very bleak compared to just a vanilla S&P 500 yield). If there was a "magic bullet" high yield stock, everyone would flock and buy that one.

There are plenty of great, stable companies that payout more than 3%. A lot of them are just value-traps like Coca-Cola, Verizon and AT&T where the stock price just sits in the same channel for decades but pays dividends slightly above inflation. There are also some high growth companies which pay great dividends but they're very hard to come by and usually have a few years of good track record before the run out of steam. So, there is no magic bullet in dividend investing. You always have to look at company financials and overall market trends and re-balance accordingly or else it might be a losing game. For example most bank stocks had their bottoms fall out in the last 3-4 months, however, there are plenty of banks whose stock prices got hit but financial positioning was immune to the crisis at hand. We're having a similar trend with REITs as well. It's just a matter of finding winners at their low valuations and getting divies while also benefiting from the stock price appreciation when the market turns around.

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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What is laid out here is called "yield chasing". Companies with extraorbitant dividend yield often end up losing much more on a 5Y timescale. There are very, very few companies that pay more than 3% and not end up losing money on the long run. (And even that is very bleak compared to just a vanilla S&P 500 yield). If there was a "magic bullet" high yield stock, everyone would flock and buy that one.

There's a lot that pay more than 3% (mining, oil, banks). Your point stands for say >6%.

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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> to get feedback, in particular, about monetizing Why should I care about high dividend yield? FINRA prohibits "selling the dividend"[1], and this project seems one step removed. Not illegal or necessarily deceptive, but seems closer to unsound than sound investing advice. [1]: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dividend-selling.asp

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Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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Dividends are useless, because the stock falls in value relative to the dividend when it is paid.

Money in the pocket. If you trust the company you assume that the stock will recover the value eventually.

Dividends are basically a last resort for boards. They are what you do with the money when you can't find a more productive use for it. Companies that aren't paying dividend are re-investing revenue in future growth.

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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What is laid out here is called "yield chasing". Companies with extraorbitant dividend yield often end up losing much more on a 5Y timescale. There are very, very few companies that pay more than 3% and not end up losing money on the long run. (And even that is very bleak compared to just a vanilla S&P 500 yield). If there was a "magic bullet" high yield stock, everyone would flock and buy that one.

I’ve heard those called “accidental high yielders”.

Any company that has paid a dividend and whose stock price has crashed will have a high yield on paper. Those stocks are usually better to avoid rather than rush to buy someone else’s problem investment.

Re: Show HN: An index of all monthly dividend stocks

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* "index" has particular connotation in finance. This is just a list - not an index.

* Why "monthly"? There may be higher quality companies that pay quarterly. Why exclude them?

* Have you looked at the myriad dividend ETFs? Things like SDY showcase funds that have regularly raised dividends YoY. ETFs may be a better way to get consistent yield and yield growth. Look into SDY, DVY or higher-powered div rates with SDIV, SRET.

* Lots of people noting tax treatment of divs as well as pointing out the "dividend irrelevance theory". Tax treatment will vary depending on the type of income. If you're looking purely at equity dividends then they will most probably be treated as income. However, with ETFs you may be exemptions depending on the income source. For example US Treasury ETFs that pay dividends are exempt from US State taxes (look at Bondbloxx suite of treasury ETFs). Municipal bond ETFs are exempt from both state and federal tax in most cases.

* Dividend irrelevance: If a $100 stock pays $1 div then its stock price is adjusted to $99. So there's no free lunch. The point is you want cash-flow generating businesses where management has decided they don't really know what to do with extra cash laying around so they hand it back to their shareholders. Being able to consistently generate these dividends and GROW the dividends indicates typically high quality, value stocks. The short-term end of the yield curve is yielding 5.4% (https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/) right now... so a company would -- very broadly speaking -- need to engage in projects with hurdle rates greater than what they could get in very safe bets with the US Government.

* Other forms of yield harvesting or income generation are writing OTM calls. A consistent strategy can be found in ETFs like JEPI or XYLE

* Re: monetizing your site. The web is awash with finance websites. This data can be found in a screener tool (finviz.com amongst many). People want trading ideas, so maybe this is better served as a newsletter or similar. Also, why should I trust your site. Financial data is notoriously finicky. Old data gets re-stated. What are your data sources?

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