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Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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Anyone happen to know if Kia UVO's is based on Hyundai's Bluelink? I'd love to build a more user-friendly iOS app for controlling my Niro EV than Kia Connect :P

It is exactly the same. You have many modules for Home Assistant (through HACS, none is an official module yet) that will use a similar setup.

I use it mostly to track and keep a record of my Niro status.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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post #15

Thank god we have normal cars as I have never understood the appeal of a smart car since everything a smart car can do can be done with a halfway decent smartphone. * by smart car, I am not talking about self driving cars, I am talking about the gimmick of running some Android and iOS apps on one's car

> Thank god we have normal cars A disconnected car is a requirement by any parameter of sanity given considerations of security including privacy, within a basic right of rejection of absurdity: but for how long will the "privilege" of avoiding lunacy will be granted? In Europe already one has to have law-mandated (in terms of shipment) hardware modules removed (the "e-call"). For how long non-connected cars will be…

You're too late. You can't get a non-connected car since about 2016.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

#23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thank god we have normal cars A disconnected car is a requirement by any parameter of sanity given considerations of security including privacy, within a basic right of rejection of absurdity: but for how long will the "privilege" of avoiding lunacy will be granted? In Europe already one has to have law-mandated (in terms of shipment) hardware modules removed (the "e-call"). For how long non-connected cars will be…

You're too late. You can't get a non-connected car since about 2016.

Well, than having a post-2016 car is ruled out then (I am not completely sure about this piece of info though: I will check, there may be exceptions, e.g. vans).

The issue will be about being able to use pre-2016 cars until civilization re-emerges.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're too late. You can't get a non-connected car since about 2016.

Well, than having a post-2016 car is ruled out then (I am not completely sure about this piece of info though: I will check, there may be exceptions, e.g. vans). The issue will be about being able to use pre-2016 cars until civilization re-emerges.

They will price those cars out by putting very high taxes on gasoline. If synthetics ever catch up, maybe that's the only way to go forward. Right now, synthetics are like €8/€9 per liter (*) to manufacture, not sure if it's possible to buy them.

(*) According to overheard info from Toyota presenting the technology at the N24 race.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

#26

I worked for a modern car rental company where you just need to download an app to drive a car. The tech was super interesting, there are vendors that sell a box with both gsm and ble interfaces and the cars are fitted with these. You can send messages through ble or their cloud api / gsm. The app needed to first acquire a token to successfully establish a ble connection. I'm not saying you can't buffer overflow thro…

Zipcar? Or do they use Bluetooth?

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

#27
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thank god we have normal cars A disconnected car is a requirement by any parameter of sanity given considerations of security including privacy, within a basic right of rejection of absurdity: but for how long will the "privilege" of avoiding lunacy will be granted? In Europe already one has to have law-mandated (in terms of shipment) hardware modules removed (the "e-call"). For how long non-connected cars will be…

You're too late. You can't get a non-connected car since about 2016.

How do these cars handle network outages? It’s not too hard to cause a permanent network outage by removing/damaging the wireless interface.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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post #18

Can someone ELI5 how this works? I understand it's sending requests to some API on some server, but what I don't get is how the car receives these commands. What does the entire end-to-end network look like?

The same way your typical shitty IoT device works. There’s an internet-connected module that receives messages from the cloud and then emits the equivalent messages onto the CAN bus or some other bus connected to the BCM or whatever you want to control remotely.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

#29
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thank god we have normal cars A disconnected car is a requirement by any parameter of sanity given considerations of security including privacy, within a basic right of rejection of absurdity: but for how long will the "privilege" of avoiding lunacy will be granted? In Europe already one has to have law-mandated (in terms of shipment) hardware modules removed (the "e-call"). For how long non-connected cars will be…

You're too late. You can't get a non-connected car since about 2016.

In every country the world over? Do you have a source for that?

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

#30
post #15

Thank god we have normal cars as I have never understood the appeal of a smart car since everything a smart car can do can be done with a halfway decent smartphone. * by smart car, I am not talking about self driving cars, I am talking about the gimmick of running some Android and iOS apps on one's car

> Thank god we have normal cars A disconnected car is a requirement by any parameter of sanity given considerations of security including privacy, within a basic right of rejection of absurdity: but for how long will the "privilege" of avoiding lunacy will be granted? In Europe already one has to have law-mandated (in terms of shipment) hardware modules removed (the "e-call"). For how long non-connected cars will be…

The tragedy is that while it's no doubt possible to remove (or disable) all that tracking junk you don't want from your car, we're still carrying around phones that more often than not are full of tracking crap. And they're even extra useful in cars, since the car's navigation and entertainment systems tend to be crap compared to what phones have.
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