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Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by fukmbas »

debarshri wrote: post #12
igorzij wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

re data migration: yes, that's hard. we are leaving that to the user for now - but with infra out of the way this still makes it radically easier to move. more importantly, approaches to data migration are few and established, whereas infra is bespoke effort re monetization / permutation: we think we've solved this by having PaaS as the first step. that means we can provide defaults that we know how to handle end-to-…

Look, I am not sure if you are trying to be VC backed or not. But I think you can have a decent sized business with 10 people or so. But the market is really really small and it is red ocean. There is lot of people doing the same thing, like porter.dev, quovery, etc. When we were doing this, what we saw was the moment a company becomes serious they will decide to do all of this themselves. Companies want to own the I…

There is definitely a need

Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by mikeryan »

In theory this sounds awesome but I have to say that demo was pretty underwhelming. It looks like there's a bunch of configuration that needs to be done to ensure this is set up properly, not the least of which is that the app needs to be running in a Docker container?

Thats a non-trivial task that I don't need to do on Heroku.

This seems to be targeting smaller, one off, services not full stacks? Can I deploy my whole cloud at once?

Not to mention no talk of how does your app connect to your database? Or caching? Or static assets? Do I need to translate paths in my apps to new domains?

Does it transfer my DNS listings?

What about auth? Does it translate Cognito to GCP or Firebase auth?

What about the data itself? Does it transfer my data between clouds?

Lots more questions than answers here.

Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by ultimoo »

outloudvi wrote: post #23

GCP free $300 credit only work for 90 days, so not 3 years - but 2.25 years. Azure free $200 credit only work for 30 days, so not 2.25 years - but 1.33 years (if you need credit instead of free 12-month services).

Startups that go through an incubator or that are seed/VC funded typically qualify more free credits. The CSPs offer this in the hope that as the company grows so does their cloud spend. Couple that with the fact that it becomes harder to switch and they more than make up for the initial free credit that was fronted.

Alicorn seems to sidestep the incentive model for CSPs entirely, I wonder if they'll add a clause to their free credit programs.

Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by JCM9 »

The biggest problem with these sorts of “cloud agnostic” approaches is that one is limited to only fairly basic architectures on broadly monolithic apps. The second you want to do something more in depth or customized then this model falls apart quite quickly and you’re back to square one real fast.

If you really just want a basic website and that’s all you’ll ever do this might work but outside that pick a platform and build natively to get the full benefits of that platform. People like to talk about wanting to be cloud agnostic so they can switch workloads quickly etc. In practice few really do that since the pain imposed by building to the least common denominator is vastly worse than the “benefit” of mitigating some perceived “risk.”

Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by mathverse »

JCM9 wrote: post #27

The biggest problem with these sorts of “cloud agnostic” approaches is that one is limited to only fairly basic architectures on broadly monolithic apps. The second you want to do something more in depth or customized then this model falls apart quite quickly and you’re back to square one real fast. If you really just want a basic website and that’s all you’ll ever do this might work but outside that pick a platform…

The same could be said about all the shenanigans involving cloud and being web scale. For 95% of the companies this will never become a problem and your need to spin up a VM in another part of the world does not justify using an expensive cloud provider like AWS,GCP or Azure.

Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by quickthrower2 »

I suspect anyone using this is making a trade off. The downside being that by putting something in between you and the cloud provide you can only use a subset, and any problem could be in two places: the cloud or the middle layer and you have to figure out which.

Re: Show HN: Alicorn Cloud – Easily move between AWS, GCP and Azure

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Post by igorzij »

debarshri wrote: post #18

I signed up for your service - two things I noticed. One, the github was authenticating with app called digger.dev by motatoes and not alicorn, the page I landed on. Also, it took me to app.digger.dev, felt like bait and switch. I created an app. It has been stuck in deploying state for 9 hours now[1] You can't say that I didn't give your product a fair shot. I might conclude that I have trust issues with your produc…

Thank you!!! Really appreciate it Yes we did rebrand in a rush, in hindsight we needed to be more thorough Re deployments stuck - that's not normal, what's your username? Or what did you deploy so that we can locate your project?
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