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Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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It's pretty crazy how expensive a simple sprint planning meeting really is if you have 5+ engineers.

That's not the point of this. You would use this for something like poor management (quite common) that had "stand-up"s on Zoom every day or couple of days that were dragging out and had too many participants listening to irrelevant updates.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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Fun app for personal use, but it seems rather passive aggressive to display this in Zoom if you aren't the one who called the meeting. Voice a concern if you think a meeting isn't necessary. Don't quietly try to undermine the meeting as it is happening. And odds are if this is something everyone on the team wants to include in a meeting, the team probably already puts a priority on not wasting time in meetings.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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I would love to see a feedback feature (not necessarily for this app but just in general) where meeting participants can answer: 1. Did I learn anything new at this meeting? 2. Did I talk at all during this meeting? 3. Would I have gotten the same value from some asynchronous shared doc, etc etc.

So many meetings have so many people that just lose time by going to the meeting and provide no updates or don't receive any new info just because the meetings are big and unwieldy

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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Good luck. There are some people in organizations whose entire job is to schedule and attend meetings. No matter how you say it to those kinds of people, expressing that meetings are keeping you from getting engineer-related work done will be viewed extremely negatively. I’ve been in IT decades and still don’t know what the best answer is.

Fire those people.

Those are generally at the top of the structure.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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This always seems to be such a controversial view here, but if you think a meeting is pointless and that you have nothing to gain from it or contribute to it, just don't go. We're all grown-ups at work, and are ultimately responsible for our own productivity. Be prepared to articulate exactly why you feel some other use of your time is more appropriate, in case someone asks, but nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you to join the meeting. I'm double-booked for meetings all day, so I'm constantly making judgment calls about which one (or neither) is more important. It's not a big deal, and you don't need an app for it.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see this as a technical solution to a social problem. I see this as a technical tool to help with a social solution to a social problem. Specifically, finding a way to communicate the opportunity cost of a meeting, which is a social solution to the social problem, because I don't need this app to do it, but it could help.

> finding a way to communicate the opportunity cost of a meeting ... I don't need this app to do it, but it could help. The terminal UI is one thing. From my personal experience, displaying the running cost of meetings in my Zoom camera would always be a bad idea. It's an optional feature of this program so it doesn't detract away from the entire idea, just saying that from my experience, managers already know that m…

There are unfortunately a lot of people who are put in a bad situation by bosses despite having multiple people explaining the time is a waste. Including them.

So a little bit of passive aggression when someone is in that situation might help them fight out of it and give them a little breathing room. And the reality is that many jobs like that, if the manager reacts badly, it might actually be a relief for the person to finally move on to another job.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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post #22

Fun app for personal use, but it seems rather passive aggressive to display this in Zoom if you aren't the one who called the meeting. Voice a concern if you think a meeting isn't necessary. Don't quietly try to undermine the meeting as it is happening. And odds are if this is something everyone on the team wants to include in a meeting, the team probably already puts a priority on not wasting time in meetings.

>Voice a concern if you think a meeting isn't necessary

Correct, I simple ask if I can be excused from the meeting.

Which I find myself doing occasionally, since a lot of people do not bother looking at anyones busy/ free calender and I end up being quadriple booked

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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post #22

Fun app for personal use, but it seems rather passive aggressive to display this in Zoom if you aren't the one who called the meeting. Voice a concern if you think a meeting isn't necessary. Don't quietly try to undermine the meeting as it is happening. And odds are if this is something everyone on the team wants to include in a meeting, the team probably already puts a priority on not wasting time in meetings.

Yeah, it’s not a constructive approach. I would not want to work with anyone who pulls stunts like this, no matter how “clever” they are.
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