"Human Lambdas"… "Mechanical Turk"… you're fully aware these are horrible names for horrible ideas, right?
This is how the sausage get's made. If you work inside the meat industry, the room where animals get slaughtered is called the kill chamber. It's not called the "cattle life transition chamber" because it is self-aware and it's better to call a spade a spade.
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#22"Human Lambdas"… "Mechanical Turk"… you're fully aware these are horrible names for horrible ideas, right?
This is how the sausage get's made. If you work inside the meat industry, the room where animals get slaughtered is called the kill chamber. It's not called the "cattle life transition chamber" because it is self-aware and it's better to call a spade a spade.
There are slaughterhouses that have different jargon, but even "slaughterhouse" shows your point. I'd put out there that slaughterhouses don't have the best track record of humane treatment and when efforts are made to improve, they often backslide into old habits (even at the cost of productivity). All of this is about mindset. So, picking a different name and not encouraging your butchers to see themselves as executioners would probably help. (Temple Grandin's books provide this insight)
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#230) Why is this better than MTurk's predefined workflows?
1) How much does it cost?? MTurk charges min(0.005, 10%) for each Human Intelligence Task.
2) How is quality checked???
3) People doing tasks generally report greater satisfaction and generally produce greater accuracy with a smaller topic shift (instead of doing NLP classification about everything at all times, first do topic A, then topic B). I bet you could train a simple classifier to group topics together
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#24With that said, I see a big blocker to many use cases. One of the main reasons you add humans to workflows is to deal with unstructured data, which can often be sensitive. Have you considered offering a managed service or self-hosted option so that orgs can control their own data flow?
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#25"Human Lambdas"… "Mechanical Turk"… you're fully aware these are horrible names for horrible ideas, right?
This is how the sausage get's made. If you work inside the meat industry, the room where animals get slaughtered is called the kill chamber. It's not called the "cattle life transition chamber" because it is self-aware and it's better to call a spade a spade.
Speaking of political correctness..
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is how the sausage get's made. If you work inside the meat industry, the room where animals get slaughtered is called the kill chamber. It's not called the "cattle life transition chamber" because it is self-aware and it's better to call a spade a spade.
That might not be a great example. The meat industry is pretty notorious for euphemisms. They're usually called "meat processing plants" rather than "slaughterhouses". When farmers need to conduct a mass extermination (more officially referred to as "depopulation"), one common technique is to shut off the air supply to the barn which causes the heat to rise so the animals suffocate and roast to death. The technical t…
Within the industry in the UK at least, meat processing plants can be both 'kill-facilities' and 'no-kill facilities' which is specifying if they have a slaughterhouse in them or not, but the term meat processing plant includes both. The site operators will not shy away from what is happening - you can't when you are in the room when it happens, and it's actually worse for workers if you de-associate from it.
That doesn't mean when you write a press release you use these terms. External communication gets fluffed-up for the rest of the world, and you don't write 'kill facility' on your address in Google Maps because you don't want to get splattered in red paint.
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#27You know, this exact same idea could be done in such a way that doesn't dehumanize the, uh, humans. In fact, I bet your mileage would even increase if you could figure out a way to actually respect even the grunt laborers. That is, I like the idea of streamlining your workflow, of compartmentalizing, of assembly lining. I like the ideas of integrating that which can be fully automated with what cannot. And of making…
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#28You know, this exact same idea could be done in such a way that doesn't dehumanize the, uh, humans. In fact, I bet your mileage would even increase if you could figure out a way to actually respect even the grunt laborers. That is, I like the idea of streamlining your workflow, of compartmentalizing, of assembly lining. I like the ideas of integrating that which can be fully automated with what cannot. And of making…
Sounds like a lot of work. Instead, let's just keep maximizing income inequality. This way there will always be someone in the position to treat humans like the cogs they are!
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#30You know, this exact same idea could be done in such a way that doesn't dehumanize the, uh, humans. In fact, I bet your mileage would even increase if you could figure out a way to actually respect even the grunt laborers. That is, I like the idea of streamlining your workflow, of compartmentalizing, of assembly lining. I like the ideas of integrating that which can be fully automated with what cannot. And of making…
Sounds like a lot of work. Instead, let's just keep maximizing income inequality. This way there will always be someone in the position to treat humans like the cogs they are!
I personally don’t enjoy giving some one no additional money or perks but pretending they are not cogs like OP is saying. You’re treating them like cogs by not paying them much.