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Re: Show HN: A basketball hoop to maximize shots that go in [video]

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Does it bug anyone else not to have the analytic solution?

Fun story. I was in college taking differential equations. And I was faithfully attempting to apply what I'd learned in class, and having a somewhat hard time at it (this was before I realized how useful matlab was). When I was doing some research on the side, and I learned that the vast majority of differential equations are unsolvable, you can only approximate an answer. After that, I was thouroughly annoyed at wasting time in a class doing all this math by hand, and having to assume the answer was of a form that was solvable (and, yes, many useful engineering diff eq are of a solvable form).

So, now to answer your question. I thought this backboard seemed like a problem that dish makers should be able to trivially solve, but getting to know the math, and modifying it enough to solve this particular problem can take more time than setting up a simple probabilistic simulation. And after my experience with diffeq, I'm happy with a quick and dirty approximate solution, and then moving on with your life. Then maybe you run into someone who knows the math and is motivated enough to apply it, and maybe you update your project then.

Re: Show HN: A basketball hoop to maximize shots that go in [video]

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post #16

Any physics experts know what the actual optimal shape is? I imagine it would be a pretty gnarly problem to work out.

I was wondering how you could get an analytical solution, but I think you’d have to define the problem much more rigorously to do so. As he mentions in the video, different basketball paths can contact the same point on the backboard from any number of angles, so it seems fairly clear that there is no perfect solution.

Re: Show HN: A basketball hoop to maximize shots that go in [video]

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post #13

Does it bug anyone else not to have the analytic solution?

I commented something similar on the video, but I realized you would have to define the problem much more rigorously to get an analytical solution. The ball can hit a point from many angles, so doesn’t that mean there can’t be a perfect solution? If you define the problem with precise constraints that roughly match the paths that will tend to occur from real people shooting baskets, and ignore variables like ball spin that probably don’t matter much in practice, I would imagine there would be an analytical solution.

Re: Show HN: A basketball hoop to maximize shots that go in [video]

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post #8

Clearly the hoop that minimizes shots is what exists at funfairs all over the world. Would making the backboard convex make it near-impossible to hit? What about making the curve imperceptible so it's hard to notice it's helping/hurting?

That's if you hit the backboard. But you don't need to hit the backboard and plenty of people can normally make the shot without it. Funfairs / carnivals probably are doing something with the hoop itself.

They're also not standard basketball height, so if you're used to aiming at a standard hoop—

Re: Show HN: A basketball hoop to maximize shots that go in [video]

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"Who is Monte Carlo?" Monte Carlo is for Europe what Las Vegas is for the US. The first name that comes to mind when you think gambling. Monte Carlo method is repeated random sampling to obtain numerical results. Monte Carlo algorithms are heuristic algorithms that solve problems with random process that can give wrong answers. Las Vegas algorithms are algorithms that solve problems with randomness but get always cor…

Is Monte Carlo (I need to look up where that actually is) as gaudy (I might have said trashy) as the Las Vegas strip?
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