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Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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This is quite nice, would be great on iPad. Any chance of some bounce curves?

Thanks! Do have any examples? I'm not familiar with bounce curves.

They're very common in gaming or animation

https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/10277/equation-f...

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

#22
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I'll give this a good workout later today. I'm a music tech teacher and use Cubase, and this fills one of the biggest holes in Cubase to my mind - bezier-type automation and the tools available for creating and manipulating that data. It looks good, but as others have mentioned, using a third-party app for this can be a little obtrusive in terms of workflow (I know there's no way round this for you, so it's not a cri…

Yeah - Bezie definitely didn't take years! It's interesting that basic curves don't exist in some DAWs. My guess is that the codebase is monolithic and there's probably lots of legacy code that is hard to touch. Hopefully Bezie works out for you and thanks so much for the review!

It's more that Bezier curves are questionably useful for audio parameter automation.

If you're automating level and panning you need assorted log/lin/exp curves, not Beziers. You also need to be able to see the waveform you're automating, which is something Bezie fails to offer.

Parameters automation works better with standard ease in/out curves and keyframing. Beziers are a special case of a more general problem.

This looks very nice, but I'm not sure how useful it's going to be to most users in practice.

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

#24

This is pretty cool. Back when I was DJing I would have definitely bought this (and may yet, if I put my setup together again). I'd suggest showing this working with Traktor or Serato - Ableton can functionally do something like this already (with Max/MSP) in which case you're competing on UI. This sort of thing is basically impossible in Traktor, last I checked, so you're bringing a much bigger improvement to those…

Also, you should reach out to DJTechTools: http://djtechtools.com/

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

#25

This is pretty cool. Back when I was DJing I would have definitely bought this (and may yet, if I put my setup together again). I'd suggest showing this working with Traktor or Serato - Ableton can functionally do something like this already (with Max/MSP) in which case you're competing on UI. This sort of thing is basically impossible in Traktor, last I checked, so you're bringing a much bigger improvement to those…

Also, you should reach out to DJTechTools: http://djtechtools.com/

Thanks for the suggestions! Do you have any examples or ideas of how a software controller like Bezie could be used in a DJ setup? I'm open to exploring this a bit further - feel free to contact me directly at support@bezie.io. Thanks again!

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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post #2

The original motivation of Bezie was to build a simple tool to enable finer control over bézier curve automation. It evolved from a MIDI clip generator into a MIDI controller. Bezie opens up new possibilities with cubic and quadratic bézier curves. Bezie runs as a virtual MIDI controller outside of your DAW, not as a VST. This makes MIDI mapping extremely simple and no different than mapping from a hardware controlle…

From the video demonstration, it looks useful with Ableton. But what about other DAWs that already has feature rich automation tools. For example, FL studio.[1]

Do you think using Bezie with FL studio would give the user a finer control over automation curve?

[1] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Gut0fK1n4

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

#27
post #2

The original motivation of Bezie was to build a simple tool to enable finer control over bézier curve automation. It evolved from a MIDI clip generator into a MIDI controller. Bezie opens up new possibilities with cubic and quadratic bézier curves. Bezie runs as a virtual MIDI controller outside of your DAW, not as a VST. This makes MIDI mapping extremely simple and no different than mapping from a hardware controlle…

From the video demonstration, it looks useful with Ableton. But what about other DAWs that already has feature rich automation tools. For example, FL studio.[1] Do you think using Bezie with FL studio would give the user a finer control over automation curve? [1] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Gut0fK1n4

Bezie gives you finer automation control in many DAWs, but not all. I don't think you'd gain anything from Bezie in FL Studio. Aside from automation, Bezie also allows you to connect a MIDI controller and trigger Bezie automation for use with DJ software [1] like Traktor.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBM5gAm83ao&feature=youtu.be...

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

#28

This is pretty cool. Back when I was DJing I would have definitely bought this (and may yet, if I put my setup together again). I'd suggest showing this working with Traktor or Serato - Ableton can functionally do something like this already (with Max/MSP) in which case you're competing on UI. This sort of thing is basically impossible in Traktor, last I checked, so you're bringing a much bigger improvement to those…

Here's a video with Traktor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBM5gAm83ao
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