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Re: Show HN: Clozemaster – Learn language in context

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I'm using lists with declined nouns and conjugated verbs, so you should see the more common declensions/conjugations earlier.

Cool, that makes sense. Are those lists publicly available? Do you also detect word types? I.e. "Der Mann" (nominative masculine article der) vs. "Das Haus der Frau" (genitive feminine article der) [German] or "að leita að" (infinitive marker að vs. prepositional að) [Icelandic]

Most of the lists come from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Frequency_lists with some additional processing to try to remove names, places, etc. I still need to make the exact lists Clozemaster is using available on the site somehow.

At the moment Pro users can play sentences grouped by missing word part-of-speech for German, Spanish, French, and Italian from English. I've tried a few different approaches to determining the word types / part-of-speech of words in a given sentence, but none have been super accurate so far. There's definitely a lot more fun/interesting stuff I'd like to do with Clozemaster if I ever do find or develop a good way to detect types.

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Learning English from Spanish the only words I see you learn here are hurry, train, began and brake, and train appears a lot of times. The 10000 words are a better learning experience to test this device.

Hm sorry about that - what mode are you playing? Have you tried playing the Fast Track?

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Learning English from Spanish the only words I see you learn here are hurry, train, began and brake, and train appears a lot of times. The 10000 words are a better learning experience to test this device.

Looks like you need to create an account to have it save your progress and get to the second lesson.

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I'm Russian and "Как вы на это увидел" is not correct. In fact, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean, sorry. "Как вы на это смотрите" on the other hand is perfectly normal and basically means "What do you think of that".

Thank you. Your translation of "Как вы на это смотрите" makes sense and feels natural. However, the given translation "how did you see that" doesn't seem to match. Would "как вы видил ето" work for that?

"He was sneaking from behind. How did you see that?" translates to "Он подкрадывался сзади. Как вы это увидели?".

"Он предложил это. Как вы на это смотрели?" could be literally translated as "He proposed that. How did you see (or look at) that?", but the correct translation would be "He proposed that. What did you think about that?".

Source: am a native speaker.

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Learning English from Spanish the only words I see you learn here are hurry, train, began and brake, and train appears a lot of times. The 10000 words are a better learning experience to test this device.

Hm sorry about that - what mode are you playing? Have you tried playing the Fast Track?

Playing the 10000 words is a good experience

Re: Show HN: Clozemaster – Learn language in context

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I am a regular Duolingo learner but I have yet to see how this is better in a significant way (I am not trying to be a dick but just giving honest opinion - sorry :( ). Or maybe I just missed something.

I played around with your product and I've found that I need to enter words or select missing ones like in Duolingo. It seems a bit more difficult than Duolingo though.

The biggest problem to me with Duolingo that it doesn't explain certain language rules (I am learning German) and you have to brute-force until you "get a feeling" and memorize patterns.

Another problem, is that there is very little focus on developing your speaking skills which (to me at least) are the most important.

I would really love to see some emphasis on speaking skill development.

Even more, Duolingo sucks at text understanding development - you get to learn sentence by sentence, but you are never getting a "full picture". So when you get a proper, full text (some short article, for example) in another language, it just feels a bit overwhelming.

Basically, what I am trying to convey and what's missing (for me) in this kind of apps, is that learning language is not about filling in missing words in the sentences.

Btw, I really like that you charge $8 - IMO Duolingo here misses out a huge chunk of money. I would easily pay $5 and probably up to $10 but now I have just to "endure" one ad every 5min which doesn't bother me at all.

Re: Show HN: Clozemaster – Learn language in context

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I am a regular Duolingo learner but I have yet to see how this is better in a significant way (I am not trying to be a dick but just giving honest opinion - sorry :( ). Or maybe I just missed something. I played around with your product and I've found that I need to enter words or select missing ones like in Duolingo. It seems a bit more difficult than Duolingo though. The biggest problem to me with Duolingo that it…

Language learning also isn't about finding the one app to rule them all. It's about using various different approaches in parallel that, together, expose you to the breadth.

This doesn't need to be better than Duolingo, it just needs to work a different part of the brain.

One problem with Duolingo is that its fill-in-the-blank always comes with a word bank which makes them all pretty trivial. You don't need much understanding to choose between a bank of "girl", "cloud", "yesterday", and a single verb conjugation.

Open-ended cloze tests, on the other hand, actually force me to think.

I think it's outside of Clozemaster's scope to care about speaking. Didn't Duolingo remove speaking tests from their app recently because everyone toggled them off?

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