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Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by holic »

dools wrote: post #185
danenania wrote: post #79

I can understand the appeal of selling on codecanyon for the existing marketplace you get access to there, but I would consider an independent checkout for the website. Your design and branding are well done and signal high quality, while codecanyon has more of a script/component flea market feel. I think taking someone out of the flow of your site to buy there is a bit jarring and might cause people to reconsider, e…

Yeah gumroad is absolutely trivial to setup and takes only a small portion of the total sale price.

As a customer, I can vouch 100% for Gumroad: https://twitter.com/kingersoll/status/332104256096190464

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Post by Lisa2000 »

oelmekki wrote: post #189
maratd wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't trust him with ssh access to your server, yet you trust him to run arbitrary code there. That doesn't make any sense. When people say "ssh access" they usually mean root. The software that's running there, if the server is properly set up, will be running on a restricted account with restricted privileges. Now, granted, even with that there can be quite a bit of damage, but not as much as giving somebody…

That's indeed the core of the problem. If your server is properly set up, you probably have one unix user per app, with other home directories not traversable and you can simply add a temporary ssh key. But then again, if customer have difficulties to install your software being just a php / mysql app, chances are great his server is not properly set up. I think that the proper solution to any paid, self hosted appli…

2 days ago I cancelled Basecamp. Why? Pricing. Duet looks beautiful. I agree, hosting for less tech savvy users would be great. The pricing is great for self-hosted. Frankly, the SaaS adds up quickly, and my hurdle rate is 10x (I have to save 10x the comparable annual dollar cost for Saas it to be sustainable).

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Post by yesimahuman »

scott_karana wrote: post #103
yesimahuman wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO, that's one of the things that "Just Doesn't Matter" at this point, if ever.

I'd almost always agree with your sentiment, but since Duet allows you to generate invoices... ;)

Ah, I thought you were talking about the home page only. I agree invoices should print nicely :)

Re: Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by zapt02 »

23andwalnut wrote: post #162
zapt02 wrote: post #154

XSS vulnerabilities all over the place. No validation performed at all? Example; http://www.duetapp.com/demo/#projects/3/tasks/30

Hmm. There is definitely a lots of validation on both the client and server. The demo refreshes every 30 mins so I'm not able to see what you're referring to. Can you shoot me an email with the issue you're referring to and I'll look into it asap. Thanks.

I added description to a task which looked like this: alert('lol!');

And it happily runs the script when you view that task.

Re: Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by j45 »

ruswick wrote: post #178
j45 wrote: post #166

This is great. I can't wait for more and more attention to go back to self-hosting. One reason why: if you knew the LTV of a customer on a SaaS app, would there be any reason to not sell it to them for self-hosting for that amount?

Yes. Charging LTV for a product upfront would be categorically untenable for both sides.

In a way some of the success folks are seeing with selling info products, or other things, could be possible, especially with small to mid offerings.

Software like FogBugz is available in both flavors, self-hosted or hosted by them.

Re: Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by kcoleman731 »

Let me start this off by saying that I love Basecamp and use it everyday...but I am very intrigued by Duet. The app looks really great and I am a fan of the way the UI and navigation are set up.

What I think you are missing however are Discussions. I find discussions to be the single most valuable feature that Basecamp has to offer. I also love that for any todo or file, project members have the ability to comment on that item, which is essentially a discussion in itself.

The ability to keep all of the conversations that are taking place with various members of both my internal and external teams in one place is incredibly helpful. It eliminates the need to track disperate conversations across gchat, gmail, skype etc, and gives all team members transparency into the various facets of the project.

I think adding these features would make your app much more robust and compelling.

Re: Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by X4 »

WOW, simlply wow! I WILL buy it, when I get paid for my current project! I was just building this myself, incl. a url shortener and analytics, but this UI blows it away! Every other solution out there I tried is inferior. I tried many other invoicing WebApps.

    * Sir, can I help you by contributing??
    * I can code/sysadmin/design
May I suggest adding your Bitcoin adress?

Re: Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by X4 »

binaryorganic wrote: post #82
danenania wrote: post #79

I can understand the appeal of selling on codecanyon for the existing marketplace you get access to there, but I would consider an independent checkout for the website. Your design and branding are well done and signal high quality, while codecanyon has more of a script/component flea market feel. I think taking someone out of the flow of your site to buy there is a bit jarring and might cause people to reconsider, e…

I second everything said here. (I definitely did a double take when I saw the CodeCanyon link). I think the thing to note with regard to price points is that I might be willing to pay $45 "just to try it out", but that definitely wouldn't happen at $250. I'd have to first make a sound decision about the software (through the demo, etc). At any rate, nice work!

Why not add Bitcoin? I would pay that way, because I want you to keep your profits.

Re: Show HN: I built a self-hosted Basecamp alternative. Try the demo

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Post by X4 »

maratd wrote: post #183
michaelbuddy wrote: post #170

I'll probably get buried but, here's what I'm going to suggest. Don't deviate from the price too much. I'll tell you why. You're competing with pancakeapp, buggenie, bugify, redmine, bugkick, mantis, Zoho (on some level) and many more, including some of the cheaper hosted basecamp clones. And I'm already considering buying yours. Your pricing is great. And I appreciate what you're doing. I wouldn't go more than $69 o…

Agreed. I'm currently using http://www.fusioninvoice.com/ which is a free open source Bootstrap/PHP/MySQL invoicing system. Has clients, estimates, invoices, etc. Very pretty, but doesn't have project management. This does. So I bought it. Pretty sure I wouldn't have if it was three hundred bucks. And yes, I'm a solo freelancer, so you're spot on.

I tried all of that. Including Fusioninvoice, Rocketinvoice, Pancakeapp, redmine, mantis, Zoho, BambooInvoice, SugarCRM and OpenERP and many little invoice tool, but none of them offers such great UX and UI. The workflow here is rocksolid.

I didn't know of: buggenie, bugify, bugkick.

Fusioninvoice is nice, but buggy and targets ONE language only, that English. (Why don't people think about i18n and l10n from the beginning, when designing something that's going to be used internationally.)

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Post by oelmekki »

Lisa2000 wrote: post #192
oelmekki wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's indeed the core of the problem. If your server is properly set up, you probably have one unix user per app, with other home directories not traversable and you can simply add a temporary ssh key. But then again, if customer have difficulties to install your software being just a php / mysql app, chances are great his server is not properly set up. I think that the proper solution to any paid, self hosted appli…

2 days ago I cancelled Basecamp. Why? Pricing. Duet looks beautiful. I agree, hosting for less tech savvy users would be great. The pricing is great for self-hosted. Frankly, the SaaS adds up quickly, and my hurdle rate is 10x (I have to save 10x the comparable annual dollar cost for Saas it to be sustainable).

Indeed, I was not trying to evangelize SaaS/PaaS :) I'm quite bored of seeing clients wasting founding money on heroku stack, where they first pay incredible amount to have unix processes, then pay a service to have email sending, then one to host uploads, then one to have logging, then on to monitor their app, then they rent a dedicated server anyway because they have specific needs ...

My point is more that it's probably a good thing to provide both webservice and installable app (github, with its github enterprise is a very good example of that, even if way too expansive), to let user choose your product based on what it does instead of what are its requirements and implications.

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