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Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

nomdep wrote: post #129

Good idea, TERRIBLE implementation. After activating only filters for "Low Effort", and "Contain Logical Fallacies" I get: > "Who cares if it is? It's a great movie nonetheless" 3/5 Published! > "Who cares if it is? It's a terrible movie nonetheless" 2/5 Revision requested: Calling a movie 'terrible' dismisses the enjoyment others may find in it and directs negativity at both the film and those who appreciate it. Sug…

Thanks for the feedback! We'll look into this kind of thing -- others have said the same thing, that two sides of the same coin get treated differently.

Thank you.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

ddingus wrote: post #121

I basically hate this thing. Sorry team. I know you are trying and you believe in your effort. I know your intent is in the right place too. But, here's the thing: I value real conversation. It is the only conversation worth having. This is a step toward Disneyland type conversation. And we don't live in Disneyland! Profanity is a part of speech. There are ugly things, ideas and people in this world and that is what…

Thanks for this great feedback.

I get where you are coming from. I do -- I have much the same attitude after years of online discussions.

And I get that it wouldn't be for everyone everywhere.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #110

Take my upvote! That's a really novel approach to the misinformation crisis and I love the product idea. It would be pretty awesome with a plugin system so that you can integrate it with other websites, too. Wish you the best for it! PS: the website is _really_ slow on Android Firefox. I had to use my Desktop system to try it out.

We've had people tell us the site is slow. We are looking into it. It seems somewhat hit or miss.....

And do you mean the commenting process, or just the site itself?

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by ilinx »

fnands wrote: post #180

I really like the idea. I sometimes get the idea some people just start raging at the world in general when they get their comments rejected/banned, and start to develop some sort of persecution complex. Will this fix the problem? I am not sure, but I do appreciate the effort.

I believe whoever solves the emotional dysregulation that leads to some persecution complexes will genuinely deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. While I doubt this will solve the problem completely, I do see potential for it to prevent discourse from spiraling quite as badly as it tends to.

I predict that a feature like this would probably chase off some undesirable community members, while genuinely helping some people improve their ability to engage in good-faith discussion and debate. And if it eases the burden on moderators and the community at large who currently police these things, it seems like a clear win. I’m sure it could be mis-calibrated to tone policing, but I’m not one to let perfect be the enemy of good.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by manphone »

pydry wrote: post #165
asddubs wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly not even sure if civil political discourse is desirable in times of radical actions being taken by the government. I almost think that's worse than no political discourse. e: To clarify my point, e.g. you can't calmly disagree with whether or not it's okay to shoot people in streets, that diminishes it as if it was just a slight disagreement

Not in completely open communities, no. It would be better to gatekeep political communities with precisely worded "principle" questions and then flag for violations of those for anybody who slipped in under the radar. Even political communities where everyone is nominally on the same page do break down over issues of tone, disingenuous arguments, etc. though.

There’s basically no point of political discussion if you all agree, besides bitching and moaning.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by edgyquant »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #170
boznz wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderating politics is not just hard, I would say its near impossible. I tend to hide anything that hints of politics from all my feeds, block users who are disrespectful, and reserve political banter for when I am walking with my friends, where we are all totally different on the spectrum, but remain civil.

Cut off those using ad hominems. Fact check. All opinion should be labelled. Only one identity per person. Any associations or biases are public. Do all that then I can't see what's hard about it ;oP. Genuinely though, I think those things are doable. You probably have to have people use their own irl identities (at least the platform needs that information), which is problematic if you want free and open debate.

Fact checking is basically impossible as most things aren’t black and white and open to various interpretations. The idea of fact checkers online has been totally rejected because fact checkers themselves are vulnerable to bias and ideological capture.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by edgyquant »

asddubs wrote: post #112
boznz wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderating politics is not just hard, I would say its near impossible. I tend to hide anything that hints of politics from all my feeds, block users who are disrespectful, and reserve political banter for when I am walking with my friends, where we are all totally different on the spectrum, but remain civil.

I'm honestly not even sure if civil political discourse is desirable in times of radical actions being taken by the government. I almost think that's worse than no political discourse. e: To clarify my point, e.g. you can't calmly disagree with whether or not it's okay to shoot people in streets, that diminishes it as if it was just a slight disagreement

This can be said generally at all times by someone. It’s not just a naive way of thinking it’s extremely dangerous and a real threat to republican society. You will never sway the center with aggressive and blatantly bias rhetoric.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by Enginerrrd »

I keep getting timeouts so I'm unable to test this. However, I have a suggestion:

What's really needed IMO is a drop-in tool to increase the ranking of thoughtful comments and decrease comments that drive engagement by making people angry. You need your tool to score comments on a scale for THAT. Combine that with policy mandating its use on algorithmically ranked sites for an audience above a threshold size and you have a tool to bring civility back to society. I don't think angry comments should be censured. I think they just should not be artificially amplified into everyone's feeds. While not perfect, there's a wonderful difference between hackernews comments and reddit comments and a great deal of it stems from the culture of self-moderation here.

Amplifying people with nuanced takes on things would go a long way honestly. As it stands, adversary countries are using this artificial anger amplification as a weapon, and its thus far been devastatingly effective.

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