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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by selkin »

TheDong wrote: post #83
selkin wrote: post #60

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Not sure if it's intended, but Apple Container is a microvm, providing mich better isolation than containers (while retaining the familiar interface)

"much better isolation than containers" If you've got an exploit for docker / linux containers, please share it with the class. What I'm saying is that in practice, containers and VMs have both been quite secure. Also, you can configure docker to run microvms too https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker-container...

We want to protect against the unknown, not the known. The less surface area, the better, and containers have much wider surface area than VMs. Both had their faults, of course.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by hxugufjfjf »

anavat wrote: post #156
anavat wrote: post #87

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There needs to be a word for the feeling of sudden realization that you're reading an AI-generated text (or watching an AI-generated video) where you expected it to be human-authored.

Okay, I'm gonna shoot myself, "ensloped" it is. "I find your email deeply ensloping." "This marketing campaign is going to enslope a lot of people." "Feeling ensloped, I closed Instagram and looked out the window".

I got slopped

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by chasd00 »

hugeackman wrote: post #19
iterateoften wrote: post #15

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Project releases with llms have grown to be less about the functionality and more about convincing others to care. Before the proof of work of code in a repo by default was a signal of a lot of thought going into something. Now this flood of code in these vibe coded projects is by default cheap and borderline meaningless. Not throwing shade or anything at coding assistants. Just the way it goes

Been writing code professionally for almost 3 decades. Not one line of code I wrote 20 years ago has the same economic value as East German currency. All code is social ephemera. Ethno objects. It lacks intrinsic value of something like indoor plumbing. It's electrical state in a machine. Our only real goal was convince people the symbols on the screen were coupled to some real world value while it is 100% decoupled…

i think about this xkcd all the time, just colors on a screen in a pattern.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/computer_problems.png

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by deadbabe »

p0nce wrote: post #127
popcorncowboy wrote: post #33

> running it scares the crap out of me A hundred times this. It's fine until it isn't. And jacking these Claws into shared conversation spaces is quite literally pushing the afterburners to max on simonw's lethal trifecta. A lot of people are going to get burned hard by this. Every blackhat is eyes-on this right now - we're literally giving a drunk robot the keys to everything.

If you peruse molthub and moltbook you'll see the agents have already built six or seven such social networks. It is terrifying.

Even an OnlyMolts!!

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by deadbabe »

To those who complain about these bots and the security concerns they raise, you basically have two options:

1. You can live in the future, and be at the bleeding edge of the latest AI tech, reaping the benefits. Be part of the solution.

2. You can stay in the past and get left behind, at the mercy of those who took the risks.

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Post by vidarh »

aeronaut80 wrote: post #81
sothatsit wrote: post #76

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Dario Amodei has said that their models actually have a good return, even when accounting for training costs [0]. They lose money because of R&D, training the next bigger models, and I assume also investment in other areas like data centers. Sam Altman has made similar statements, and Chinese companies also often serve their models very cheaply. All of this makes me believe them when they say they are profitable on A…

Their whole company has to be profitable, or at least not run out of money/investors. If you have no cash you can't just point to one part of your business as being profitable, given that it will quickly become hopelessly out-of-date when other models overtake it.

Other models will only overtake as long as there is enough investor money or margins from inference for others to continue training bigger and bigger models.

We can see from inference costs at third party providers that the inference is profitable enough to sustain even third party providers of proprietary models that they are undoubtedly paying licensing/usage fees for, and so these models won't go away.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by vidarh »

fragmede wrote: post #70
hyperadvanced wrote: post #66

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This is my understanding as well. If GPT made money the companies that run them would be publicly traded? Furthermore, companies which are publicly traded show that overall the products are not economical. Meta and MSFT are great examples of this, though they have recently seen opposite sides of investors appraising their results. Notably, OpenAI and MSFT are more closely linked than any other Mag7 companies with an…

Going public is not a trivial thing for a company to do. You may want to bring in additional facts to support your thesis.

Going public also brings with it a lot of pesky reporting requirements and challenges. If it wasn't for the benefit of liquidity for shareholders, "nobody" would go public. If the bigger shareholders can get enough liquidity from private sales, or have a long enough time horizon, there's very little to be gained from going public.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by enraged_camel »

fragmede wrote: post #185
enraged_camel wrote: post #169

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>> Yeah. Exactly the same as there should never be an “artisan era” for chairs, tables, buildings, etc. That's funny you bring up those examples, because they have all moved on to the mass manufacturing era. You can still get artisan quality stuff but it typically costs a lot more and there's a lot less of it. Which is why mass-manufacturing won. Same is going to happen with software. LLMs are just the beginning.

Did you get the Eames version of Windows, or a knockoff?

Windows was probably the worst example you could use in this context!
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