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Wow, people who walked near the capital were thrown in prison. Really? Just walked near the capital. Didn't break in, attack cops, destroy property. Really. Just walked near the capital. Wow that's crazy.
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Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
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Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
They promised a policy (Brexit) in a form that would replace immigration from European countries with immigration from non-white countries. In fact, the Tories did NOT promise to reduce immigration. They promised 2 things that are guaranteed to increase immigration: - 50,000 extra nurses (including foreign recruitment) - A points-based system, you can find articles talking about how this increases immigration Source:…
> They promised 2 things that are guaranteed to increase immigration > A points-based system, you can find articles talking about how this increases immigration Firstly, I don't think they actually introduced one of those, did they? And secondly, how is that guaranteed to increase immigration? The UK media and some of politicians at the time were all talking about an Australian-style points system. As someone pretty…
> Firstly, I don't think they actually introduced one of those, did they?
The fact they didn't introduce it doesn't change the fact that adding 50,000 nurses required an increase in immigration. I went back and re-read the article, they also promised more childcare places. Guess what? That also requires more immigration.
In fact, I just read the manifesto itself and they also added a "fast-track NHS visa," so we have a clear "let's increase immigration" policy right in your face! Page 22, hilariously right next to where they promise "numbers will come down."
> They also said things like "And Australia has proportionally even higher migration than the UK under that scheme!", which is true, but again that's because the government has decided to set the amounts of visas at that level and sets them higher or lower
You're correct, the government can choose to give out less visas, and they hinted that they would in the manifest (page 22). But if you read the rest of the manifesto, you realise quickly that the two goals can't be achieved at the same time. It's like promising to cure cancer by shooting the patient.
Look, we can argue about this until the cows come home but, if you voted Tory because you thought they would bring immigration numbers down, then you should have read their manifesto. The fact that they were never able to do this was right there!
Going back to "I voted for Brexit," then complaining about Brexit. Well, that's also something that there's no excuse for. In December 2019, the deal that was to be agreed was known. If you didn't like what it said about fishing or whatever, well, tough shit. You agreed to it when you put your tick in the box for Conservative.
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Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn’t one of those cases. It was a well intentioned Bill that passed with Labour’s support but was very badly planned and written. Hell, it wouldn’t even have helped counter the misinformation being spread last summer and this summer to try and instigate more race riots!
“Well intentioned” hahahaha yeah right, good one. The purpose of a system is what it does.
If that were true, why do laws get amended when politicians see impacts they don't like? A famous example that college students are taught at A-Level Law is the law on bigamy where it stated "a married person who gets married again." This isn't possible (in the UK, you can only get married to one person at a time), so the court had to rewrite the legislation on the fly to get the intended effect.
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#194As someone who was involved in the original guerilla digital activism that spawned the third-person URL format for independent UK government-watching websites (ie "Write to Them", "They Work for You"), I applaud your on-topic brand extension, Tim :)
Thanks Danny - it was indeed following 'They Work For You' - I'm a big fan of that site.
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why didn't you just create the images for all 650 MPs ahead of time?
Because that's expensive as hell and I didn't know if anyone would visit the site..
Ideally you would save them as they were generated, and deliver the saved version the second time?
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
That happens all over the place, conservatives pass a time bomb bill, they lose control of congress/house, time bomb is about to become effective, they now fight to overturn it and place the blame on the current ruling folks.
Except this bill was first introduced in March 2022, when the Tories hadn't imploded and there was no strong reason to expect they'd lose the next election. It wasn't a "time bomb". They introduced this legislation because they wanted it.
> March 2022, when the Tories hadn't imploded and there was no strong reason to expect they'd lose the next election.
Under Boris Johnson?
Well, I suppose we have the benefit of hindsight.
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They promised 2 things that are guaranteed to increase immigration > A points-based system, you can find articles talking about how this increases immigration Firstly, I don't think they actually introduced one of those, did they? And secondly, how is that guaranteed to increase immigration? The UK media and some of politicians at the time were all talking about an Australian-style points system. As someone pretty…
> Firstly, I don't think they actually introduced one of those, did they? The fact they didn't introduce it doesn't change the fact that adding 50,000 nurses required an increase in immigration. I went back and re-read the article, they also promised more childcare places. Guess what? That also requires more immigration. In fact, I just read the manifesto itself and they also added a "fast-track NHS visa," so we have…
I think we're talking at cross-purposes here - I'm not really taking a position one way or another on whether the Tories would/could have reduced immigration, and they certainly didn't deliver on that.
I was just pretty flabbergasted at the time by the blanket misunderstandings of the system that was being talked about, seemingly from all sides.
I didn't vote for them either way :shrug:
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.
Most Reform MPs did not vote at all! Neither did a lot of conservatives and labour, interestingly. Greens and Lib Dems voted no, which raises my opinion of them. Agreed its a mess.
Just for the benefit of those unfamiliar with UK politics: "most" is a bit misleading here, even though it's technically true. Reform has 4 MPs (out of 650).
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Canadian I was lost and confused when visiting the States (in the before time) and a gas pump asked for my zip code. So I put in the one and only zip code I know. I bet you can guess.
I used to use that one too, but you're supposed to put the 3 numerical digits of your postal code followed by 00. (I have no idea how you're supposed to know that though.)
Really? Or does that just work because it's numbers? I can't imagine how that's useful because without the letters the same 12300 could be in Vancouver or Montreal couldn't it?
Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's literally just sticking the MPs name into an AI and asking for it to generate a mock ID for them. None of their real data is being used (e.g. their face, their DoB, the address) and the mock IDs wouldn't fool anyone for a second. I'd love if someone who understands the law would weigh in though
Does the AI has access to newspapers? If John Doe is a MP, then he is probably the most famous Joe Doe in the last 5 years and the AI may grab his photo from a newspaper. I don't know about the national ID in UK, but here in Argentina the national ID number is public. A lot of public documents include "John Doe (DNI 23.456.789)", and the are sites where you can search it (the DB has problems with almost coalitions, s…
> I don't know about the national ID in UK
There isn't one.