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Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by drdaeman »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #184
drdaeman wrote: post #180

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> I don’t understand how you can do this and not feel horrible about it. I don't understand why you think one should feel horrible about generating images in some visual styles. What's the problem? Demonstrably, it's not something that's generally considered protected - it's not in the laws, and I've got this impression that the request of "$artist/$studio-style art" was generally considered socially acceptable. AFAI…

Good news - we have commentary on that. Hayao Miyazaki calls artificial intelligence animation "An Insult To Life Itself" [1]. It's one of his more well-known quotes. 1. https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/hayao-miyazaki-ar...

Thank you.

I have watched the video but, sadly, it seems to be on a merely tangentially related subject (some zombie ragdoll movement), that caused an understandable disgust (as explained in the video). Then there was a comment about the desire to create a machine that can draw pictures - and I’m really not sure how that’s connected to anything that happened in the video.

The only thing I was able to extract from it is general disapproval, but that’s about all I can be sure of. Better than nothing but not something I was hoping for.

Upd: oh, I haven’t noticed this immediately, but it’s a 9-year old video. I was hoping for something more up-to-date, as a lot of things had happened since then.

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by subpixel »

avree wrote: post #49
subpixel wrote: post #26

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Presumably you aren’t the parent of a 5-7 year-old child. I might try this manually and save some money but my kids will absolutely cherish coloring themselves, their friends, and their parents. We’re on vacation now and this is gonna be big when we get back.

Interesting presumption. I know about the 100-page coloring books because I've bought them. Paying $1 per page at the speed they get colored would cause me to go bankrupt. I presume you're fabulously rich, and it doesn't matter.

I stand corrected. I think we are looking at this product through different lenses. E.g a page from this coloring book might wind up framed and kept forever, whereas all our other coloring books are eventually secreted into the trash.

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Post by fennecbutt »

rafram wrote: post #13

For what it’s worth (and it’s probably not much), it doesn’t cost that much to commission comic book-style art from an actual artist online. When you do that, the proceeds go to an artist, not to an AI company that stole from them and a software developer who wrote a wrapper around their API.

Lmao yes it does. Wtf.

I'm a furry, I commission a decent bit of art and furry artists (unless they're super popular) tend to actually be much cheaper than normies.

Commissioning a comic is >$100 for a page, from a popular artist at least several hundred.

And that's also for personal use with no commercial rights whatsoever - it's actually an impasse because they technically still own the art, you technically own the character in the art, so it's in licensing purgatory, which is fine for conbadges, smut, icons and whatnot.

I used to work at an agency that shared a floor with an art studio, commercial rights for art, especially something as complex as a comic page can easily run into $1-10k or more.

Don't get me wrong, artists deserve the money they get, but as with everything that gets automated, there's a financial incentive to do so. Inb4 someone drops all the etsy links of sellers doing AI art as well or (as has been done for a loooong time) using a non-ml based filter to achieve the same thing.

There are definitely cheap-er options available from Brazil, China, Venezuela etc (same as fursuit commissions) but that's also another interesting topic in relation to ai; we already outsource heavily.

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by fennecbutt »

darajava wrote: post #106
rafram wrote: post #13

For what it’s worth (and it’s probably not much), it doesn’t cost that much to commission comic book-style art from an actual artist online. When you do that, the proceeds go to an artist, not to an AI company that stole from them and a software developer who wrote a wrapper around their API.

I can't imagine how much it would cost to commission an artist to do a whole coloring book and then organize them and send them to print but it's a good point. AI is never going to be as good as a real commissioned artist, but this idea makes having something similar far more accessible to a lot of people.

AI will exceed the capabilities of human beings in any task given enough time.

Sure, not now. Not tomorrow. But less than 1000 years from now? Definitely, imo.

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Post by fennecbutt »

jmathai wrote: post #21
op00to wrote: post #19

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Didn’t the artist “steal” from artists that came before them by looking at and taking inspiration from their photos? Especially ones that would do such artistic genres as commercial coloring book art?

Yes. But they are people, perhaps with families to feed. Not computers. Cool idea. I can see keeping colored pages of these by my kids up on the fridge a lot longer than what’s on there now!

As a gay dude I don't fall for the "but they have a family" thing, it reminds me that I'm worth less in many eyes for that reason.

Anyway, the problem isn't with automation, as per usual it's with animalistic, selfish human beings who would rather hate each other while the rich get richer, rather than vote to implement a well needed framework to set up UBI, proper taxation of corpos, etc.

But nah, that person has a different skin colour than mine, that person has different sexual preferences to mine.

I do hope the machines take the reigns at some point.

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Post by fennecbutt »

ronsor wrote: post #43
bix6 wrote: post #31

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This is a cool technological feat but what is the cost to humanity and its artists? Some of these replies seem rather dismissive to the artists’ plight.

They're dismissive because we've had the same moral panics before with the introduction of photography, then sound recordings, and then digital art tools, and then vector art, and then 3D, and also the Internet to an extent, and... You can see where this is going, right? In the end, humanity and even artists will be fine overall, even if the world changes.

Nah it'll be the end. And welcomed, because humans are too apathetic to vote for real issues like UBI.

We'd rather be tribal and hate on race, gender, sexuality, religion, location, etc than actually act our neuron counts.

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Post by Trixter »

darajava wrote: post #98
Terretta wrote: post #25

Seems like this cat (and various variants in similar settings) was a top rated image in Sora's explore/images a week ago. Was it yours, should it be credited, or did you hit edit prompt to get a variant? No worries, just wondering how that should work.

Wow, yes you're right. I did in fact take that image from the Sora homepage because I thought it was cute. I pretty much just assumed they're all in the public domain. I can't find the image anymore so I've decided to remove it for now. I generated the other three myself.

They look generated, which is off-putting. Maybe use three real photos instead?

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by sathishmanohar »

darajava wrote: post #125
sathishmanohar wrote: post #124

I'm from India. I was looking for a service like this but without sending me a physical book part. I'd use this at @ $10 price point if I'm able get downloadable a4 coloring pages from a picture. It would be great. Also this way your customer base becomes international. $10 for 20 pictures is a good price point for me. Pretty expensive but I'd still go for it.

I'll implement this today. Edit: I've implemented this! It's a lot of code changes so I hope I didn't break anything.

Thanks!
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