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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#181

In this age of generative AI, how would a someone defend against a maliciously AI generated/altered video report?

Most of NYC has cameras. The timestamp and location data from those can be linked.

You could also have multiple references to validate via crowdscoring.

You can also find people who are bad actors to decentivize them from mass reporting.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#182

Spying on your friends, neighbors, and family? Nothing to see here, just old Soviet style repression tactics.

These are people spying on commercial vehicles abusing rights of way to avoid paying their fair share of the cost to carry them in the area (parking, in particular). Why are you taking the side of the trucks?

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#183

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Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law. If switching to a fine-based bounty system like this suddenly causes an uproar over a given law, then I submit the proper thing is to look over that law and perhaps tear it down. Any "law" that people put up with because it isn't enforced 9 times out of 10 is little more than a tax upon those too honest to get away with it. As for businesses us…

>Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law. Agree. More of my thought is what happens when everyone is incentivized with money to spy on everyone else? How can you misuse this as a government? How can unscrupulous businesses misuse this? >If switching to a fine-based bounty system like this suddenly causes an uproar over a given law, then I submit the proper thing is to look over that l…

>[P]eople might want to keep a bad law if they continue to make money by snitching. In fact, money is the exact wrong incentive for this sort of thing.

I've said elsewhere the optimal mechanism here is for that money to be paid to the snitcher, from the person who is being turned in. This would lead us to assume that for most crimes of a personal nature, we would have about as many people losing money due to the law as making money due to it, and so the effect cancels out.

In situations where many more people make money and only a select few are losing big, well... Somehow I feel like that's usually for the best anyway. See my other comments on eg the runaway success of the False Claims Act. Or just consider the class action lawsuit and whether you think it fills a valuable role in society.

>Think a little harder and see if you can imagine why a law that isn't strongly enforced still might exist.

Thanks for letting me pick the reason, that's very thoughtful of you. Obviously it's because said law being strongly enforced would cause such a public backlash that it would quickly get repealed in its entirety, and thus further erode the monopoly on violence the state holds over its citizenry. Cops then have fewer en passants they can pull when they don't follow procedure, etc etc. I'm glad we're in agreement on this.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#185

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>This is a phenomenal application of how fine-based bounties can be used to rapidly improve compliance with the law. This type of thing can get out of hand quickly. Without me giving controversial examples, just imagine for yourself the types of things that different states can make a crime, add a fine, then offer to give other citizens part or all of that fine if they turn in others. After that, think of how unscrup…

Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law. If switching to a fine-based bounty system like this suddenly causes an uproar over a given law, then I submit the proper thing is to look over that law and perhaps tear it down. Any "law" that people put up with because it isn't enforced 9 times out of 10 is little more than a tax upon those too honest to get away with it. As for businesses us…

Love the app; will use.

Scared of MAGA targeting brown people with this type of social enforcement

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#186

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I mean, the law not being enforced is wayyyyyyyyy less dystopian than this app and the numerous other ones like it that are bound to spring up. I'd rather live in truck fumes than a hyper-automated snitch surveillance state.

you have like 50 comments in this thread whining about the law and desperately wanting businesses (not private individuals!) to idle their trucks next to schools. maybe take a break man. not healthy.

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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#188

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you have like 50 comments in this thread whining about the law and desperately wanting businesses (not private individuals!) to idle their trucks next to schools. maybe take a break man. not healthy.

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it’s not working - it’s one of the highest ranking posts - and you really don’t want to go around admitting that. seriously, take a break.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is a phenomenal application of how fine-based bounties can be used to rapidly improve compliance with the law. This type of thing can get out of hand quickly. Without me giving controversial examples, just imagine for yourself the types of things that different states can make a crime, add a fine, then offer to give other citizens part or all of that fine if they turn in others. After that, think of how unscrup…

Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law. If switching to a fine-based bounty system like this suddenly causes an uproar over a given law, then I submit the proper thing is to look over that law and perhaps tear it down. Any "law" that people put up with because it isn't enforced 9 times out of 10 is little more than a tax upon those too honest to get away with it. As for businesses us…

Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law.

Not really. If perfect, ubiquitious enforcement were possible, our laws would probably look very different.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#190

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it’s not working - it’s one of the highest ranking posts - and you really don’t want to go around admitting that. seriously, take a break.

Yep and I got an upvoted comment dissenting against all the authoritarian bootlickers in every single thread on this post. People agree with me. Even on the comments of mine that got flagged lol

It even pissed people off enough that one of the mods started commenting about my own personal projects that have nothing to do with this lmao

Oh and I guess it did work because now it's down to 28, almost off the front page. Much lower than where it was before

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