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Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by dkh »

firesteelrain wrote: post #171

Why can’t people just appreciate some thing cool rather than turn every HN comment section into a controversy? I had never heard of this Ghibli controversy.

When you learn of a situation that a lot of people care about and feel very strongly about, it would be wiser and more respectable to not immediately dismiss it. Since you admit to only finding out about the situation five minutes ago, you might not have a firm enough understanding of the nuance to reduce everyone involved to haters without valid concerns. If you dig into the subject a little more, the answer to your question will become apparent, even if you disagree it.

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by dkh »

level09 wrote: post #126
barbazoo wrote: post #16

For anyone looking for a prompt to do this manually, it seems to be as simple as this: > Generate a version of this photo that can be used as a coloring sheet

Anyone else feeling this weird vibe in the age of AI? You get a cool new idea, but then you think about how easy it is for someone else to replicate it, and you end up not doing it.

Often multiple times a day, but on top of that concern, also throw in various ethical concerns and a few questions about if it actually has value or should exist

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by firesteelrain »

dkh wrote: post #181
firesteelrain wrote: post #171

Why can’t people just appreciate some thing cool rather than turn every HN comment section into a controversy? I had never heard of this Ghibli controversy.

When you learn of a situation that a lot of people care about and feel very strongly about, it would be wiser and more respectable to not immediately dismiss it. Since you admit to only finding out about the situation five minutes ago, you might not have a firm enough understanding of the nuance to reduce everyone involved to haters without valid concerns. If you dig into the subject a little more, the answer to your…

I don’t agree or disagree with it. It’s the constant outrage. I don’t understand how people can be constantly unhappy

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by kelseyfrog »

drdaeman wrote: post #180
simianparrot wrote: post #136

Every example is the Studio Ghibli style. Tasteless and no respect for the studio and its legacy. I don’t understand how you can do this and not feel horrible about it. But I guess not everyone cares as long as it might earn you a few dollars…

> I don’t understand how you can do this and not feel horrible about it. I don't understand why you think one should feel horrible about generating images in some visual styles. What's the problem? Demonstrably, it's not something that's generally considered protected - it's not in the laws, and I've got this impression that the request of "$artist/$studio-style art" was generally considered socially acceptable. AFAI…

Good news - we have commentary on that. Hayao Miyazaki calls artificial intelligence animation "An Insult To Life Itself" [1]. It's one of his more well-known quotes.

1. https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/hayao-miyazaki-ar...

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by arnavpraneet »

dkh wrote: post #182
level09 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone else feeling this weird vibe in the age of AI? You get a cool new idea, but then you think about how easy it is for someone else to replicate it, and you end up not doing it.

Often multiple times a day, but on top of that concern, also throw in various ethical concerns and a few questions about if it actually has value or should exist

likewise, at this point I am just giving in and making what I can to see whether or not it is feasible, to speak nothing to its value or existence

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by dkh »

hightrix wrote: post #160
seeEllArr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The food you order online was not stolen from the server/bartender without their permission or compensation. Even if the analogy holds, this is whataboutism, and in the U.S. at least tipping is a fucked system too.

You’re right that the food itself wasn’t stolen, but how many restaurants actually come up with their own recipes? And how many use recipes created by master chefs that were ‘stolen’ and used by others? This is how art works and has always worked. Artist should be using the same AI tools that the general public use but create things that the general public cannot. That’s what artists have always done.

Culinary skills at the high-end are typically passed on directly from chefs to their apprentices, intending to be used, built on, and passed down again. It doesn’t really work the way being described, which is fine, because there’s no way to shape this scenario into a comparable one.

Any attempt to compare the A.I. stuff to some analogous scenario is deeply flawed if it does not include 1) that A.I. instances are not humans, but computers run by companies, and 2) the incredible scale at which it can operate.

The actual actions taking place are secondary at best, and the situation cannot be judged on that alone. It must be debated in the context of the actions being undertaken by machines, owned by companies, motivated by profit/market share/growth/whatever, with little communication or collaboration with the humans who created the works, and that they can now generate outputs based on those works at a scale, frequency, level of precision several orders of magnitude higher than a human can ever compete with. It cannot be compared to any sort of person-to-person scenario. The enormous scale this operates at, by actors that are not human, is the core of the situation.

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by dkh »

arnavpraneet wrote: post #185
dkh wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often multiple times a day, but on top of that concern, also throw in various ethical concerns and a few questions about if it actually has value or should exist

likewise, at this point I am just giving in and making what I can to see whether or not it is feasible, to speak nothing to its value or existence

Me too except I usually don’t get very far into making the things

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by dkh »

firesteelrain wrote: post #183
dkh wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you learn of a situation that a lot of people care about and feel very strongly about, it would be wiser and more respectable to not immediately dismiss it. Since you admit to only finding out about the situation five minutes ago, you might not have a firm enough understanding of the nuance to reduce everyone involved to haters without valid concerns. If you dig into the subject a little more, the answer to your…

I don’t agree or disagree with it. It’s the constant outrage. I don’t understand how people can be constantly unhappy

You don’t know if anyone upset about this is a generally and constantly unhappy person, they are upset about this. Are there no topics in this world that you have a very strong opinion on, that you would express given the situation? Could you not be a generally happy person and express those opinions, at the same time?

Also, I mean, I know a lot of people don’t care about the whole “A.I. vs. artists” thing, but it should absolutely not be difficult to understand why many do. We are talking about a fast-growing technology and industry that will perhaps decimate jobs and entire professions, that will definitely reduce the value of certain things to zero, and while that will be good for some things, it is concerning for many that one of the first things being seriously threatened is art—something generally thought to be a deeply human ability, and a profession already notoriously difficult to earn a living at. For a lot of people this is existential. This guy’s little coloring book project is not the problem, but it‘s still a small facet of the larger issue, and being concerned about that issue is very valid, and anyone with perspective and a modicum of empathy should be able to understand it.

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by firesteelrain »

dkh wrote: post #188
firesteelrain wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree or disagree with it. It’s the constant outrage. I don’t understand how people can be constantly unhappy

You don’t know if anyone upset about this is a generally and constantly unhappy person, they are upset about this . Are there no topics in this world that you have a very strong opinion on, that you would express given the situation? Could you not be a generally happy person and express those opinions, at the same time? Also, I mean, I know a lot of people don’t care about the whole “A.I. vs. artists” thing, but it s…

Thanks for the perspective. Makes sense

Re: Show HN: I used OpenAI's new image API for a personalized coloring book service

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Post by arnavpraneet »

darajava wrote: post #111
darkxanthos wrote: post #48

Wow a lot of criticism. I'm considering a similar business. I think this is too expensive when printing this is so easy these days. But charging some small about per printable coloring book would be very attractive.

The printing aspect of this wasn't too easy... I wish I could charge less but as it stands (especially with surprising API costs) I'm barely making a profit on this.

have something similar in the building pipeline, yeah the API costs caught me off-guard too. I knew it was going to be expensive but this is still pretty high
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