Does it show all 5 daily trains at once ?
Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
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Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#182It's sad that even great potential routes like SF->LA aren't accessible by train, and we don't seem to have the state capacity to build HSR there. I was just in Japan, and took the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Kyoto, which is a similar distance as SF to LA. That train: - runs every 10 minutes -- if you miss one, just take the next one! - takes 2.5 hours travel time - starts and ends in city centers on both ends. - has be…
High speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles isn't economically viable. California HSR will cost at least $30 billion to construct and California's own estimates claim it will cost $700-$874 million per year to operate.[1] Around four million passengers fly between SF and LA every year. Assuming every single one of them takes the train instead of flying, you're looking at $175-$218 per ticket just to pay for…
Part of the allure of trains is much higher volumes of passengers. Part of the value prop would be many more people willing to take a train then fly.
Flying has huge friction to engage in, as OP indicated Japanese trains have almost none.
Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#183It's sad that even great potential routes like SF->LA aren't accessible by train, and we don't seem to have the state capacity to build HSR there. I was just in Japan, and took the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Kyoto, which is a similar distance as SF to LA. That train: - runs every 10 minutes -- if you miss one, just take the next one! - takes 2.5 hours travel time - starts and ends in city centers on both ends. - has be…
High speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles isn't economically viable. California HSR will cost at least $30 billion to construct and California's own estimates claim it will cost $700-$874 million per year to operate.[1] Around four million passengers fly between SF and LA every year. Assuming every single one of them takes the train instead of flying, you're looking at $175-$218 per ticket just to pay for…
Why do you assume the project will replace all airplane passengers and zero car or bus passengers on the same route, and why do you assume a complete absence of intermediate stops?
And that’s before even considering induced demand.
The attempt at analysis here is just nonsensical. Not even wrong.
Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny how trains are expected to be profitable from day 1, but you can drive a car from SF to LA and not pay a cent for the highway infra that costs billions to build and upkeep. Also, in what world can you reliably get from central LA/SF to LAX/SFO and through checkin & TSA in 45 min each?
I didn't say anything about roads, but it's not true that roads are unprofitable. Roads are paid for by fuel taxes and vehicle registration fees. California's gas taxes raise $8 billion per year. The state's registration and licensing fees collect another $12 billion per year. The state spends $18 billion per year on Caltrans, meaning that vehicles provide $2 billion in revenue for other state programs. BART takes 30…
Sorry, it takes at least an hour to get from lax to central LA. Once it even took two! You also woefully underestimate airport bs. 15 mins haha ha. Just an unobstructed walk to/from the gate takes that long.
Last time we arrived it took an hour to (get bags, wait for shuttle to rideshare park two miles away, and get paired), then another 45 minutes drive in heavy traffic to east Hollywood.
Train to union station would have been much more comfortable.
Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#185It's sad that even great potential routes like SF->LA aren't accessible by train, and we don't seem to have the state capacity to build HSR there. I was just in Japan, and took the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Kyoto, which is a similar distance as SF to LA. That train: - runs every 10 minutes -- if you miss one, just take the next one! - takes 2.5 hours travel time - starts and ends in city centers on both ends. - has be…
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Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#186Netherlands: https://treinposities.nl/ , and for buses https://busposities.nl/kaart (zoom in).
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Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#187It's sad that even great potential routes like SF->LA aren't accessible by train, and we don't seem to have the state capacity to build HSR there. I was just in Japan, and took the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Kyoto, which is a similar distance as SF to LA. That train: - runs every 10 minutes -- if you miss one, just take the next one! - takes 2.5 hours travel time - starts and ends in city centers on both ends. - has be…
High speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles isn't economically viable. California HSR will cost at least $30 billion to construct and California's own estimates claim it will cost $700-$874 million per year to operate.[1] Around four million passengers fly between SF and LA every year. Assuming every single one of them takes the train instead of flying, you're looking at $175-$218 per ticket just to pay for…
To make this a fair comparison you need to look at the average price per ticket, not the “starting at” price, and include the government subsidies of airports/security/atc/ etc that enable this system.
I would also add in a cost for carbon. I realize that’s more controversial but it seems like we will have to pay to remove co2 at some point.
I don’t know what the numbers look like when you do that.
Regardless, I do agree the amount per traveler to make a train work seems depressingly high.
Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#188It would be cool to see an equivalent map for freight rail. These threads always focus on the lack of passenger rail service in the US but ignore that the US also has one of the largest, safest, and most efficient freight rail systems in the world[1]. I'd love to see it live! https://railroads.dot.gov/rail-network-development/freight-r...
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Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny how trains are expected to be profitable from day 1, but you can drive a car from SF to LA and not pay a cent for the highway infra that costs billions to build and upkeep. Also, in what world can you reliably get from central LA/SF to LAX/SFO and through checkin & TSA in 45 min each?
I didn't say anything about roads, but it's not true that roads are unprofitable. Roads are paid for by fuel taxes and vehicle registration fees. California's gas taxes raise $8 billion per year. The state's registration and licensing fees collect another $12 billion per year. The state spends $18 billion per year on Caltrans, meaning that vehicles provide $2 billion in revenue for other state programs. BART takes 30…
You might consider the climate and carbon impact of those flights vs rail.
Many of the rail lines are subsidized in countries with extensive rail travel. So they don’t have to be economically viable, it’s viewed as a public good, contributing to general economic development.
Re: Show HN: Trains.fyi – a live map of passenger trains in the US and Canada
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume it would be less about the dominance of passanger displacing freight and more about scale/distance. Germany is smaller than Texas (half the area). How often is it economical to put stuff on trains before loading them on trucks again for distances sub 1000km?
That argument would only be valid if Germany was an island, though. But it's not. Lots of traffic coming through from all directions.
Sure, but the size scales out. Texas isn't an island either.