I really don't understand this. Just in the tech industry, salaries can vary drastically worth the job title even within a company. For example, as a senior front-end developer I was able to negotiate a much higher wage than my counterparts because I had a specific skillet that they were looking for. Unless you are in a low level position, there are unlimited factors that come into play at the negotiating table with salaries. One size does not fit all. Should I not be able to negotiate a higher salary? What if I could bring something to the table that others could not? Or if I can code 10x faster than current employees? Or can think outside the box? Should a company not put me both based upon what I feel I am worth and what they feel that I am worth? ...or is this purely a Silicon Valley gender pay issue?
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Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like you're approaching it from the concept that the world should be fair. I'm coming from the other angle. What if you ask for a raise and they said something such as "we can't give you a raise because we can't afford to give everyone a raise." Seems like the knowing of salaries doesn't cure that. "We don't have anymore budget" "We don't have any room for another senior blah"
It would be great if the world was fair, but I'm a realist. You seem to mistakenly believe that an anonymous salary benefits you, if that was the case companies wouldn't go to such lengths to keep a lid on it.
I'll say I don't know if it does or doesn't but I haven't talked salary in public after being judged by it and subsequently treated differently by my 'friends'
I don't discuss numbers as a general rule
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Transparency solves that problem. If below average workers moved from business to business getting paid less than their peers, how long do you think they would consider themselves better than average?
Possibly forever, and I think it's very likely they develop a chip on their shoulder because the world is not properly valuing their skills. Never underestimate the ability of people to come up with all kinds of reasons why they are being treated unfairly.
I agree. Over the decades I have worked with a few below average engineers who were so deeply arrogant they simply refused to believe they weren't God's gift to engineering.
This is a small minority though.
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> almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer.[...]Therefore, if salaries are shared, at least two thirds of your workers are liable to be pissed off at what they are making, even though the amount is completely fair based on their actual worth to the company. This is a strawman. Where is your data to back up that "almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer"? At least anecdotally I've n…
> Where is your data to back up that "almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer? It is a pretty well documented phenomena. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
> It is a pretty well documented phenomena.
The effect of an individual feeling above average is, yes, documented and pointed out in your links. But that has nothing to do with "almost everyone thinks they are an above average performer".
Where is the data showing "almost everyone" feels this way? Even reading the wikis you linked it's obvious people will feel this about certain topics or even just in general when comparing themselves to someone else. I didn't see any direct correlation or sources regarding how the majority of people feel, overall, against the majority of others.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think I would enjoy the experience of daring assholes like that to fire me.
If they're smart they'll just find a legal reason to fire you. Ever surf the web for personal reasons at work? Every use your personal mobile on work time? There are so many rules that people violate every day without repercussion until the company needs a reason to get rid of them.
If they're smart and they want you gone, they won't bother with petty stuff like that. They'll just run you through the formal process, six months of PEP then PIP then fired, speaking the ritual words and performing the ritual ceremonies necessary to generate a paper trail that will comfort the lawyers, all tied up and neat. You'll know exactly what happened but there'll be nothing you can prove.
If they're smart and they want you to stay, they still won't bother with petty stuff like that, because firing people is expensive and hiring them even more so; they'll either look the other way or find a diplomatic way to deal with it.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think most professional Salaried jobs quote salary per year.
Not so true in Europe. There are quite a significant number of countries where it is normal to specify a monthly wage rather than a yearly salary. Germany being one of them.
well a this is an English language forum and b quoteing a single year makes it easier to account for countries that have extra month payments
Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean by "it checks your domain"? Does it change information displayed based on where you connect from?
Sorry, email domain. If I work at Bugaboo then verify my email is rob@bugaboo.com before allowing me to submit a salary for Bugaboo
Thanks for clarification. That's going to filter out lots of people who don't want to share their identity, unfortunately.
Re: Show HN: Honest Salary – Help make salaries fair and honest by sharing yours
#188I'd make this site more focus about apples to apples comparison within the same company. I.e 'Share your salary at X and invite your colleagues to do the same'. So people could go to honestsalary.com/company and collaborate there with the main page showing the aggregate. And maybe instead of job title use department and 'level' to make it more ambiguous. I.e engineering,marketing,operations or 'associate, sr, manager…
Here's the source for a small webapp to anonymously share your salary with a pool of others: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/894b151cc981f783e3af I did try to make most of the selections ambiguous in order to better preserve anonymity. The way it works is that the pool creator sets a minimum number of responses before anyone can see the salary info. You also can't see any salary info unless you yourself have submit…
One thing I forgot to mention is that the app is based around sharing unique URLs; there's no need for users to create accounts of any sort.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
It could be a problem at companies where salaries are under an NDA. If the companies find out you broke the NDA you could get fired. I'm pretty sure my company has such a clause.
Not to be snarky or anything, but shouldn't you know what is in the NDA that you signed?
Yes, I should. It was 10 years ago, and I have no interest in discussing it with anyone, though, so in this case, it's not a big deal.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since the data was just anecdotes, how did you determine that you were at the low end, compared to what parent comment pointed out - that people self report high?
I disagree with the parent comment's assumption that such data would necessarily be inaccurate. I found it to be quite accurate. I know that I and most of my immediate peers entered our salary data into the spreadsheet, and all of us did so accurately. There were detailed instructions telling you which internal website to go to to find out your compensation information, and the instructions said which values from tha…
Can you share the methodology of your study where you determined the data to be accurate?