It's tiring to see how people in the seemingly know dance around the issues an noone gets to the point, noone solves anything.
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#172I think you’re probably missing why it’s exhausting. The problem is not writing English, it’s the rate of change. Programming is meditative, it is a thinking process, the code you output is an artifact of your thinking. Agent-based development… there is no thinking, no meditation, you’re delegating the thinking to a machine, you’re just barking what you want at it, incessantly, endlessly. For businesses it makes sens…
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would disagree that there is no thinking. I think a strong understanding of the fundamentals of coding are still wildly important to get good quality code, and a big part of that is thinking or reasoning through a particular problem. It’s just now we have a way of using common language in order for that to happen instead of having to learn or keep up with every new tool and framework in order to do so. The new prog…
> I think a strong understanding of the fundamentals of coding are still wildly important to get good quality code I don't think this is true any more; you need to ask the agent to inspect the system, draw up plans with the system's current shape in mind, then after it's done writing the code, ask for it to review the code, and make sure it's as minimal and high quality as possible a couple of times. Creating program…
And I'm personally not happy with that. To manually test something, we have QA, to shape business requirements, we have a business analyst and a product owner. Now a developer needs to be a 3-in-1 person?
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#174" I also don’t want to go back to writing all my code manually " - a whole generation of you guys are going to regret this decision very seriously 5 years down the line - mark my words - just like how studies are being published currently on how meta algorithms are designed to have you hooked and causes brainfart, 5 yrs down the line , studies ll come out showing how LLMs have caused degradation in critical thinking…
I don't think we need to wait 5 years, we can already see it know
- it is going to be so bad that vast majority of these "i dont write code anymore" guys are going to be unable to write even a c++ hello world program without an LLM
- the argument these guys come up with all the time is "I dont need to"
- Big assumption there buddy, big assumption. Lets play both cases shall we.
- Case 1: LLMs infinitely improve and nobody has to code anymore. Yea well, writing a paragraph spec isnt that hard for me bro, I already do it for every project while not using an LLM
- Case 2: LLMS go bust completely for whatever reason. We have a whole generation of mass programmers and 99% of them cant add 2 numbers in c++. Guess what? I am now one of the most sought after programmers in the entire world and part of an absolute minority
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#175It's tiring to see how people in the seemingly know dance around the issues an noone gets to the point, noone solves anything.
What is your solution to this problem?
Surely ranting about it online isn't going to help?
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#176I think you’re probably missing why it’s exhausting. The problem is not writing English, it’s the rate of change. Programming is meditative, it is a thinking process, the code you output is an artifact of your thinking. Agent-based development… there is no thinking, no meditation, you’re delegating the thinking to a machine, you’re just barking what you want at it, incessantly, endlessly. For businesses it makes sens…
i think this is a fascinating cognitive dissonance on display: > there is no thinking, no meditation, you’re delegating the thinking to a machine, you’re just barking what you want at it, incessantly, endlessly. why do you think software teams exist? it was exactly for that purpose for non developers to do what you described but perhaps varying degree of politeness and professionalism. > For businesses it makes sense…
Where is the cognitive dissonance? You're just repeating what they said but from a negative angle of saying programmers enjoying coding means they are confused about its worth.
They pretty clearly say they enjoyed the intrinsic value of writing code and do not enjoy the act of piloting AI minions.
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#178Cool idea, but let's take it to the next step:
What if the "pseudocode" were real code, but in a higher level language than we have today that can actually be compiled deterministically?
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agree with programming is meditative but disagree that agent-based development means there is no thinking. Agent-based development means more thinking like a lower level manager. You spend more time making architecture decisions, making decisions on the user interface, trying to manage your time and your agents time to increase the amount of work produced in the same time, asking the agent about the code and making n…
> Agent-based development means more thinking like a lower level manager. You spend more time making architecture decisions, making decisions on the user interface, Whose manager is making these decisions? My managers have always been concerned with how much workload everyone has, delegating tasks at an extremely high level that they barely understand, and handling the messy human interface between their reports and…
designers, team leads, tech leads, architects, senior devs are all doing this kind of formal or informal management work
just because someone doesn't have the "manager" in their job title they might still do a lot of supervision