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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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There should never have been an "artisan era". We use computers to solve problems. You should have always getting stuff done instead of bikeshedding over nitty-gritty details, like when in the office people have been spending weeks on optimizing code... just to have the exact same output, exact same time, but now "nicer". You get paid to get stuff done, period.

> There should never have been an "artisan era". Firm no. There should be and there will continue to be. Maybe for you all code is business/money-making code, but that is not true for everyone. > We use computers to solve problems. We can use computers for lots of things like having fun, making art, and even creating problems for other people. > You get paid to get stuff done, period. That is a strange assumption. Pl…

> Plenty of people are writing code without being paid for it.

This is rhetorically a non sequitur. As in, if you get paid (X) then you get stuff done (Y). But if you're not paid (~X), then, ?

Not being paid doesn't mean one does or doesn't get stuff done, it has no bearing on it. So the parent wasn't saying anything about people who don't get paid, they can do whatever they want, but yes, at a job if you're paid, then you better get stuff done over bikeshedding.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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> There should never have been an "artisan era". Firm no. There should be and there will continue to be. Maybe for you all code is business/money-making code, but that is not true for everyone. > We use computers to solve problems. We can use computers for lots of things like having fun, making art, and even creating problems for other people. > You get paid to get stuff done, period. That is a strange assumption. Pl…

And to add to this, good artisanal code usually means it runs a lot faster, which means saving money and energy, and those are good things.

It depends how much money and energy in the form of manhours were spent to write it in an artisan way in the first place. I've been in a lot of PR reviews where it was clear that the amount of back and forth we had was simply not worth it for the code we wrote.

I'm reminded of this: https://xkcd.com/1205/

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#173

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There should never have been an "artisan era". We use computers to solve problems. You should have always getting stuff done instead of bikeshedding over nitty-gritty details, like when in the office people have been spending weeks on optimizing code... just to have the exact same output, exact same time, but now "nicer". You get paid to get stuff done, period.

"You get paid to get stuff done, period." It sounds like you hate your job? To be sure, I've done plenty of grinding over my career as a software engineer but in fact I coded as a hobby before it turned into a career, I then continued to code on the side, now I am retired and code still. Perhaps the artist in me that keeps at it.

I don't think they hate their job, just seem to be frustrated at slow bureaucratic processes and long code reviews which I've experienced too. After a while it can get aggravating as to why some people want to nitpick minute details of the code which slows down development overall. I am talking about cases where the initially submitted PR is perfectly fine, not grossly incorrect.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

The problem with LLM-written is that I run into so many README.md's where it's clear the author barely read the thing they're expecting me to read and it's got errors that waste my time and energy. I don't mind it if I have good reason to believe the author actually read the docs, but that's hard to know from someone I don't know on the internet. So I actually really appreciate if you are editing the docs to make the…

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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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I 100% agree, reading very obviously ai written blogs and "product pages"/readme's has turned into a real ick for me. Just something that screams "I don't care about my product/readme page, why should you". To be clear, no issue with using AI to write the actual program/whatever it is. It's just the readme/product page which super turns me off even trying/looking into it.

I get where you're coming from. It's like a person signing a love letter with a stamped signature or something.

It reminds me of the job of the protagonist in the movie Her, ironically enough.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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”I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me.” - AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done.

The art department is that way, we do engineering here. Faster is better.

> we do engineering here

Well, we make software, at any rate.

Most of the time that's pretty divorced from capital-E engineering, which is why we get to be cavalier about the quality of the result - let me know how you feel about the bridges and tunnels you drive on being built "as fast as possible, to hell with safety"

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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To be honest, when I see many vibecoded apps, I just build my own duplicate with Claude Code. It's not that useful to use someone else's vibecode. The idea is enough, or the evidence that it works for someone else means I can just build it myself with Claude Code and I can make it specific to my needs.

Yes exactly! Even non vibe coded libraries I think are losing their value as the cost of writing and maintaining your code goes to zero. Supply chain attacks are gone, no risk of license changes. No bloat from code you don't use. The code is the documentation and the configuration. The vibes are the package manager. That's why I like this version over openclaw. I can fork it as a starting point or just give it to Cla…

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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#178
Great idea and name the danger here which I'll be interested to track is how do you keep this "nano"? Since it's built for you, you'll continue adding features i assume which over time will make this not very nano. I guess I'm wondering if there could be some small design tweaks of the repo that make this usable as a long term "fork the base and make it your own" concept

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#179
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Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

Did you give it your credit card?

Wouldn't a crypto wallet with a small amount deposited be smarter?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#180
post #132

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

> and again proceeded to get itself banned by hammering the crap out of the docs api > Used approx $2k worth of Kimi tokens Holy shit dude you really should rethink your life decisions this is NUTS

> (Thankfully temporarily free on opencode)

they paid $0, it's all VC money printing for now

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