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Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by asdff »

dangus wrote: post #160
nottorp wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and that's how browser monopolies are formed. Your "something better" is certainly Chrome. But that's irellevant because the likes of teams and google chat are made for management and at best sales, while slack is made for engineers.

All I know is the other two browser major engines work a lot better in practice than WebKit. I don’t really know or care as an end user if WebKit represents browser choice. The fact is they Apple isn’t putting enough effort in to making their browser engine “just work” with popular websites. If it was a requirement in iOS and a default in macOS nobody would choose it by choice. It would be dead as a doornail if it co…

Why is it on apple to make teams work for their web browser and not the other way around?

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by captn3m0 »

Surprised this wasn’t flagged off. This clearly isn’t a Show HN - it’s a waitlist signup. Please read the guidelines:

> If your work isn't ready for users to try out, please don't do a Show HN. Once it's ready, come back and do it then. Don't post landing pages or fundraisers.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by dundundundun »

dangus wrote: post #162
dundundundun wrote: post #86

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Can I download Teams without it also requiring Microsoft updaters and other stuff that insists on lurking in the background? Having a standalone MS app is fine, but I will never allow their updaters and background processes.

The Microsoft AutoUpdate tool is fully configurable so long as your organization doesn’t have any specific forced configurations. You can uncheck automatically update and install. You can decide whether or not to run the background service at all at the OS level. This is a really strange hill to die on because your OS and other programs already have similar functionality, you are just saying no to Microsoft specifica…

Yeah, so i'm not running Chrome either. I do not (from experience) trust Microsoft or Google to have software constantly running on my computer.

I realize that i can disable the service of course, but then i end up with outdated software.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by dangus »

dundundundun wrote: post #173
dangus wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Microsoft AutoUpdate tool is fully configurable so long as your organization doesn’t have any specific forced configurations. You can uncheck automatically update and install. You can decide whether or not to run the background service at all at the OS level. This is a really strange hill to die on because your OS and other programs already have similar functionality, you are just saying no to Microsoft specifica…

Yeah, so i'm not running Chrome either. I do not (from experience) trust Microsoft or Google to have software constantly running on my computer. I realize that i can disable the service of course, but then i end up with outdated software.

You either update the software in the background, you update it manually, or you leave the software out of date.

Microsoft offers you all three options and you don’t like any of them.

I don’t quite understand what mystery fourth option you prefer Microsoft provides for you.

Going back to my original comment, you could have tried Teams in a real web browser before deciding it sucks. Safari is trash.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by dangus »

asdff wrote: post #171
dangus wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is the other two browser major engines work a lot better in practice than WebKit. I don’t really know or care as an end user if WebKit represents browser choice. The fact is they Apple isn’t putting enough effort in to making their browser engine “just work” with popular websites. If it was a requirement in iOS and a default in macOS nobody would choose it by choice. It would be dead as a doornail if it co…

Why is it on apple to make teams work for their web browser and not the other way around?

Because it’s not just Teams that’s broken, it’s a solid percentage of the websites I visit.

Apple can’t blame developers for their browser’s inconsistency.

Firefox has 1/10th of Apple’s market share and that browser is clearly more compatible with websites in my experience.

Whenever I have some kind of rendering issue or functionality glitch in Safari I switch to Firefox and it works fine.

Like, dear lord safari can’t even implement the back button normally. The behavior is terrible. It’s like you see a static screenshot of the precious page and everything is frozen for a second, and then if you’re lucky it unfreezes and at worst your scroll position gets messed up, or you’re unlucky and the entire page reloads.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by dangus »

stevage wrote: post #103
dangus wrote: post #81

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I see nothing mentioned about integrating webhooks or some kind of similar feature. The Slack app ecosystem and the general ease of integrating literally anything into it is the revolution of the whole thing. It’s great that this is “Slack with no features/bloat and cheap” but I’m not sure the creators of this project realize how cheap Slack already is. If you’re hiring employees, paying under ten bucks a month per u…

>I see nothing mentioned about integrating webhooks or some kind of similar feature. Exactly - nothing so far. But it's impossible to believe they won't. >If you’re hiring employees, paying under ten bucks a month per user for a full communication suite is not bad. Yeah, if the Slack is for an organisation of full-time employees, the pricing is a non-issue. All the cases where it's been a problem are something differ…

I believe they won't because that's what's in their marketing copy. Their selling point is a lack of those features.

Organization of volunteers, collectives of people, why aren't they using free stuff like Discord that is incredibly feature-rich in comparison? This is where I brought up the lack of features being a problem, because you could just use Signal, WhatsApp, Discord, etc. By having so few features, it's competing with a whole lot of free stuff.

Regarding contractors, Slack handles external organizations in a pretty comprehensive way, very much unlike this product.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by usefulposter »

schappim wrote: post #115
BozeWolf wrote: post #92

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I was about to ask the same thing. I saw mentioning of gdpr, feels like at least some europeans are involved. However: I don’t want to have my data in the US for at least 3 years. For businesses outside the US: they simply cannot have their data in US anymore. Build european/non-us would be a great argument to use this product.

@dang the founder/op’s responses seem to be getting flagged erroneously

FYI:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45077654

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43979537

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43085967

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35210503

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by FeloniousHam »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #164
happymellon wrote: post #136

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And each iteration is basically worse. XMPP should be able to be a Slack replacement. Hangouts was a proprietary reimplementation, that had most of the features in an awkward way. Group chat in columns wasn't a great idea but was fine on mobile. Duo/Chat was weird, separation of communication for no great benefit, and wasn't really any better than Hangouts. More like Hangouts that they had given to an intern to fix u…

And don't forget Google Wave that did the whole "chat integrated with various multimedia elements" decade before the competition (and arguably, better, coz those could be interactive elements not previews of websites and embedded media)

For me, Wave was the most exciting thing Google ever tried. The requirements exceeded most corporate hardware, but the whole "email as a wiki page" struck me as the future. Replay the messages in order to follow the responses.

(there was a lot of other stuff going on in there too)

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by dangus »

asdff wrote: post #167
dangus wrote: post #82

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If you had just downloaded Teams it would have worked fine. It isn’t Microsoft’s fault that Safari is a shit browser and the macOS people who keep it as their default won’t switch to something better.

Why can’t they make a working webapp for one of the largest browsers in the world? It isn’t like I tried to use Opera…

Because nobody can. Safari breaks on all kinds of popular websites while Firefox’s bucket of nickels development budget does a better job.

Apple can’t even make the back button behave smoothly.

Popular doesn’t mean good. Safari sucks.

From the perspective of someone who solely owns an iPhone they’d probably see a chromium monopoly as an upgrade.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by ljm »

3rodents wrote: post #149
ljm wrote: post #132

Honest feedback: seeing the promise of 'free, forever' as a selling point on some early-adopter SaaS actually puts me off. It's a promise that is always broken. I don't buy it. I also think that the marketing is pitched too heavily towards what Slack is, and what this product isn't . It's target towards someone who hates Slack rather than someone who wants the product for what it is, but most people who hate Slack ar…

> most people who hate Slack are probably using it because their org says so, and their org doesn't think it sucks I agree in part but you are underestimating the power of inertia. A lot of organizations use Slack because they use Slack. Moving from Slack to something else is a headache. The OP could build an objectively better product than Slack by every single measure as accepted by every single stakeholder in a bu…

Yes, but they can also do the same with a group chat on WhatsApp, and email. And, XMPP was the protocol to do this before people found money in extinguishing it.

That's probably accurate in the US with the AI tech push to 996. You know, start at 9 on Monday and finish at 5 on Sunday.

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