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Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by busymom0 »

mh- wrote: post #29
TrevorFSmith wrote: post #26

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A similar result can be found by reading coverage of events you witnessed or topics you know well.

Reading mainstream coverage of tech is certainly what made me lose confidence in much of their other reporting. Back when tech was this niche thing 20+ years ago, media's illiteracy on the matter was forgivable. Now that it's omnipresent and represents a huge portion of the economy, not so much. Yet the accuracy of the reporting on events that I have familiarity with has barely improved.* * Acknowledging that this is…

The Verge's infamous "how to build a gaming PC" tutorial video made me stop visiting their site and mostly stop trusting most tech news.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by cyberax »

ebbi wrote: post #168
xp84 wrote: post #162

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Not to mention that as soon as the IDF pulled out, Hamas immediately started dragging Palestinians out into the streets and publicly executing them for “collaboration” crimes real or imagined. The #1 killer of Palestinians is Hamas itself. It’s pure cowardice that they fight the way they do, mixing all their military equipment with civilian infrastructure like hospitals and schools, and they rely on propagandizing gu…

They executed them due to treason, a law that the USA also has. The number of Palestinians executed is far less than those killed by Israeli aggression. Don't minimize the war crimes of Israel. How far is the IDF office from civilian infrastructure? Your comment reeks of propaganda - or severe misinformation at the least.

> They executed them due to treason, a law that the USA also has.

With full legal proceedings, lawyers, appeals, appeals to the European Court of Human Rights, etc.?

> The number of Palestinians executed is far less than those killed by Israeli aggression. Don't minimize the war crimes of Israel.

Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked.

But I'm sure that even if Israel had been provoked, then such a lawful and peaceful state as Gaza would have had no problems extraditing all the responsible criminals. Or maybe applying the same death penalty to them?

Surely, if they have the death penalty for treason, then they should also have the death penalty for terrorism?

> Your comment reeks of propaganda - or severe misinformation at the least.

You are seriously justifying rampant murder by terrorists.

Sorry, but if this IS what Gaza stands for, then I sure as hell don't want it to be independent.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by ebbi »

cyberax wrote: post #172
ebbi wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They executed them due to treason, a law that the USA also has. The number of Palestinians executed is far less than those killed by Israeli aggression. Don't minimize the war crimes of Israel. How far is the IDF office from civilian infrastructure? Your comment reeks of propaganda - or severe misinformation at the least.

> They executed them due to treason, a law that the USA also has. With full legal proceedings, lawyers, appeals, appeals to the European Court of Human Rights, etc.? > The number of Palestinians executed is far less than those killed by Israeli aggression. Don't minimize the war crimes of Israel. Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked. But I'm sure that even if Israel had been provoked, the…

> Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked.

Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable.

> You are seriously justifying rampant murder by terrorists.

I'd say, and most people around the world, that that's what you're doing. I'm recognizing resistance, and calling out crimes where it occurs. I'm not one to tell oppressed people how to be oppressed, how to be the perfect victims. When you oppress people, it's going to backfire at some point in time.

As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators. Israel? Not so much...

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

ebbi wrote: post #173
cyberax wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They executed them due to treason, a law that the USA also has. With full legal proceedings, lawyers, appeals, appeals to the European Court of Human Rights, etc.? > The number of Palestinians executed is far less than those killed by Israeli aggression. Don't minimize the war crimes of Israel. Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked. But I'm sure that even if Israel had been provoked, the…

> Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked. Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable. > You are seriously justifying rampant murder by terrorists. I'd say, and most people around the world, that that's what you're doing. I'm recognizing resistance, and calling out crimes where it occurs. I'm not one to tell oppressed people…

> As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators.

Sorry, I'm going to need an actual source before I believe that. ("As far as I recall" is not a source.)

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Post by ebbi »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #174
ebbi wrote: post #173

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> Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked. Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable. > You are seriously justifying rampant murder by terrorists. I'd say, and most people around the world, that that's what you're doing. I'm recognizing resistance, and calling out crimes where it occurs. I'm not one to tell oppressed people…

> As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators. Sorry, I'm going to need an actual source before I believe that. ("As far as I recall" is not a source.)

Search for Basem Naim (Hamas' political bureau member).

In late 2023 and early 2024, Naim repeatedly said that Hamas was ready to welcome an international inquiry mission into allegations about what Hamas fighters did on October 7.

In a statement responding to a New York Times report on sexual violence on Oct 7, he said Hamas had “on various occasions… welcomed any international inquiry mission to look into any allegations” and contrasted this with Israel allegedly blocking investigations.

And from Anadolu Ajansi: "Urged “a neutral international commission of inquiry” to look into allegations of sexual violations committed by its fighters during the Oct 7 attack"

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by cyberax »

ebbi wrote: post #173
cyberax wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They executed them due to treason, a law that the USA also has. With full legal proceedings, lawyers, appeals, appeals to the European Court of Human Rights, etc.? > The number of Palestinians executed is far less than those killed by Israeli aggression. Don't minimize the war crimes of Israel. Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked. But I'm sure that even if Israel had been provoked, the…

> Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked. Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable. > You are seriously justifying rampant murder by terrorists. I'd say, and most people around the world, that that's what you're doing. I'm recognizing resistance, and calling out crimes where it occurs. I'm not one to tell oppressed people…

> Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable.

Let's look at 2005, then? When Israel forcibly displaced people out of Gaza. That is, Jewish settlers. Giving HAMAS full control over the land.

Or maybe 2011, when Israel exchanged more than a thousand prisoners (convicted through a regular legal process) for Gilad Shalit.

Sorry, but in the case of Gaza it's completely black-and-white. There are really no shades of gray there. HAMAS was given free rein, and they paid back by committing the worst terrorist act in Israel's history. HAMAS did nothing to help their people, using Gazans as puppets, while funneling money to criminals.

And I actually support sanctions against Israel for their West Bank settlers and discriminatory laws that result in the displacement of Palestinians there. Israel is certainly not blameless.

> When you oppress people, it's going to backfire at some point in time.

Who exactly was oppressing Gaza? Except HAMAS, of course.

> As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators. Israel? Not so much...

Links? I'm _sure_ they must have at least detained some of the estimated 6000 people participating in the raid?

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by wredcoll »

Aeolun wrote: post #90
jrmg wrote: post #81

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In this and so many things now I fear that we’re discarding the idea that “it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”.

I’m not sure if I’d put the balance there, but certainly not at “it is better that a hundred innocents suffer than than one guilty person escapes”

The point of course is that it's not about whether or not guilty people escape.

It's about making people's lives better. Improving the world. Increasing the net total happiness. That sort of thing.

If you actually apply logic and empiricism with that as your goal you quickly realize that punishing guilty people is frankly orthogonal.

This is definitely something I have found to be a major divider among people, in the very literal "there are two types of people" sense.

Very frequently having some system of punishments and then applying those punishments has some useful effect towards the ultimate goal of better lives for everyone. But, as should hopefully be obvious, the point is the better life goal, not the punishment part.

People get very obsessed with the idea of people "getting what they deserve" and so rarely seem to consider any goal beyond satiating the desire for suffering.

Everyone loves the classic "moral dilemma" of torturing one child to provide for millions and similar, but perhaps instead what we should be asking is "would you let an awful evil pedophile go free if it meant a better life for hundreds of other children"? That seems like a fun way to get people's heads to explode.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by andix »

bdangubic wrote: post #161
RobGR wrote: post #154

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An automated system was already made to collect and sort them, that system should provide it's sources. I can self-fact-check anything, but a system that could provide origin sources and didn't is just AI slop.

If human-generated content like this did not provide source would that be called “human slop”? what about system automated by a human coder without help of AI, also “human slop”?

Just „slop“. News usually either come from a reputable source, with internal standards you trust (newspaper). Or from someone who mentions their sources.
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