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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by ffsm8 »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #169
ffsm8 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, did someone advocate for violence?

A speed trap is a kind of violence, yes. Have you ever hit one of those things at high speed before? Ouch. EDIT: I've been away from the States for too long. I was indeed thinking about speed bumps , not traps. Traps are cameras, and they therefore get a thumbs up from me in the beautiful bounties-on-everything-we-care-about future.

a speed trap is a device that measures the speed of cars that drive by it. It's usually on the sidewalk or (as I proposed here) in a property adjacent to the street. You're not supposed to hit them.

Are you talking about speed bumps?

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by mhuffman »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #164
mhuffman wrote: post #155

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>This is a phenomenal application of how fine-based bounties can be used to rapidly improve compliance with the law. This type of thing can get out of hand quickly. Without me giving controversial examples, just imagine for yourself the types of things that different states can make a crime, add a fine, then offer to give other citizens part or all of that fine if they turn in others. After that, think of how unscrup…

Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law. If switching to a fine-based bounty system like this suddenly causes an uproar over a given law, then I submit the proper thing is to look over that law and perhaps tear it down. Any "law" that people put up with because it isn't enforced 9 times out of 10 is little more than a tax upon those too honest to get away with it. As for businesses us…

>Compliance with the law is a separate issue from the contents of the law.

Agree. More of my thought is what happens when everyone is incentivized with money to spy on everyone else? How can you misuse this as a government? How can unscrupulous businesses misuse this?

>If switching to a fine-based bounty system like this suddenly causes an uproar over a given law, then I submit the proper thing is to look over that law and perhaps tear it down.

I would submit that there is the danger that people might want to keep a bad law if they continue to make money by snitching. In fact, money is the exact wrong incentive for this sort of thing.

>Any "law" that people put up with because it isn't enforced 9 times out of 10 is little more than a tax upon those too honest to get away with it.

Think a little harder and see if you can imagine why a law that isn't strongly enforced still might exist.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by ffsm8 »

pimlottc wrote: post #170
ffsm8 wrote: post #129

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I wish it was was more common around the world. Not just with parking though, but everything in the context of cars. Like letting the police install a permanent speed trap on your property or even pay for the privilege of them doing so. I'd bet that'd curb a lot of speeding in short order

“More Dunkin”? Is that an auto correct type for “more common”?

Oof, yes. I edited it

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by gametorch »

bcyn wrote: post #165
gametorch wrote: post #158

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Why? How do you draw the line between people who deserve to be "surveilled" (if you can even call it that in this case...) vs. people who don't? You are entitled to your opinion of course but it just seems extremely arbitrary.

I don't have a good, rational answer.

I think the idea is vaguely that the upper-upper class statistically must've done something wrong or have the power to cause extreme harm, therefore it's okay to snitch on them but not your regular Joe.

I'm just espousing the standard American middle class views about freedom here. Not trying to argue they are sound or rational.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

mstaoru wrote: post #156
gametorch wrote: post #121

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I lived in China for many many years and this is not a good example. Parking, and driving in general, is chaotic and unregulated. Yes, you have cameras everywhere that detect running on red or taking a wrong lane, but that's about makes it. Speeding, haphazard parking, everything is allowed. Scooters go anywhere. Bikes go anywhere. People go anywhere. Red, green, anything in between, it's a free for all. Like a polic…

I’ll never understand how people believe bike and pedestrian “infractions” to be the same as that of motor vehicles.

Members of this “get off my sidewalk!” group often fail to realize this: Did you study to become a pedestrian? Did you go to a bicycle driving school to acquire a permit to operate one? Was an exam at all given in order to use public foot or bike paths?

If the answer is no, then you aren’t held to the same standards as cars, which are heavily regulated and require licenses to operate.

Obeying road signs for bicycle and pedestrians are suggestions, rarely enforced, and the worst case scenario is usually you hurt yourself. Your ability to hurt others has an upper bound that society deems acceptable.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

ffsm8 wrote: post #171
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A speed trap is a kind of violence, yes. Have you ever hit one of those things at high speed before? Ouch. EDIT: I've been away from the States for too long. I was indeed thinking about speed bumps , not traps. Traps are cameras, and they therefore get a thumbs up from me in the beautiful bounties-on-everything-we-care-about future.

a speed trap is a device that measures the speed of cars that drive by it. It's usually on the sidewalk or (as I proposed here) in a property adjacent to the street. You're not supposed to hit them. Are you talking about speed bumps?

I am! Mea maxima culpa. Yes, I agree with you.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by pvg »

gametorch wrote: post #154
pvg wrote: post #147

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It’s someone’s show hn for something that’s NYC law, designed to address a specific local problem. Calling this ‘evil’ is, at a minimum, unserious bombast which the site rules ask you to avoid, especially when discussing someone else’s work. You can critique the work without the Savonarola act. It also happens to be more effective that way so it’s in your own interest.

I really am supportive of 99.9% of Show HNs, merely for the sake of the posters actually trying to build something This is one of the few things I feel very strongly about and I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it. His idea is actively harming what makes America a good place to live in. And his idea is what makes China a bad place to live in. I'm not just going to sit here and say nothing. I don't care if…

Nobody is telling you how and how strongly to feel - just not to be a yelly asshole about it.

This is a valid show hn - if you can’t comment on it reasonably just don’t comment or find a thread where the general surveillance topic is actually the topic.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by octernion »

gametorch wrote: post #100
paulgb wrote: post #99

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I see where you’re coming from, but the alternatives are either that the law isn’t enforced, or the state ramps up its own surveillance, which is more dystopian to me. I see this as in the same vein as SEC whistleblower awards, which I’ve never heard described as dystopian. Businesses just don’t have the same expectation of privacy that individuals do.

I mean, the law not being enforced is wayyyyyyyyy less dystopian than this app and the numerous other ones like it that are bound to spring up. I'd rather live in truck fumes than a hyper-automated snitch surveillance state.

you have like 50 comments in this thread whining about the law and desperately wanting businesses (not private individuals!) to idle their trucks next to schools.

maybe take a break man. not healthy.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by gametorch »

pvg wrote: post #178
gametorch wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really am supportive of 99.9% of Show HNs, merely for the sake of the posters actually trying to build something This is one of the few things I feel very strongly about and I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it. His idea is actively harming what makes America a good place to live in. And his idea is what makes China a bad place to live in. I'm not just going to sit here and say nothing. I don't care if…

Nobody is telling you how and how strongly to feel - just not to be a yelly asshole about it. This is a valid show hn - if you can’t comment on it reasonably just don’t comment or find a thread where the general surveillance topic is actually the topic.

You're the one bringing up my personal projects that are irrelevant to this post.

You also called me an asshole. I never called anyone names.

I don't care about you or your opinion. Ban me.

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