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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by social_quotient »

makoto12 wrote: post #141

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

Don't take this as a trolling question, but I can't help but wonder if this sentiment towards AI generated art and creativity is similar to how a chef might feel about shrink wrapped frozen food factories. Just like how a frozen meal can be thrown in the microwave and still be considered a meal, AI generated art can still be considered creative and beautiful. But, as we all know, the timing and execution to properly deliver a "real meal" from a chef is far different than a frozen meal from a factory.

I find myself conflicted on this topic as I can see how the makers of yesterday have been replaced by process automation, taking away some of the magic of the creation process. But, just as a frozen meal from Costco has its place, so does AI generated art. The macro level ingredients may be the same, but the final product is different.

Before fast food, the number of chefs and home cooking would have had to be far higher and/or more frequent than now. Some would argue that we are paying the price for all that processed food now, but others would argue it's the only way to scale people's lives and their time.

I agree that something "feels" different about midjourney making artwork that I likely could never make myself, but I'm struggling to fully have a reason or complete reasoning for why. And then I wrestle with, is this a normal evolution problem? Just this time it hit something nearer to me personally and it impacts my life.

Would love to hear other's thoughts on this.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by neoromantique »

infinitezest wrote: post #154
robertlagrant wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a person learns how to paint expertly by looking at (and even copying, stroke for stroke) paintings, would you consider that immoral, and those paintings having been stolen? If not, what would you say the difference is?

There is the notable difference in the speed and scale at which a computer can be trained. The analogy doesn't really hold up in my opinion.

So the analogy doesn't hold up because computer does it more efficiently?

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by [deleted] »

newswasboring wrote: post #166
makoto12 wrote: post #141

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

All advances in creative tooling are automating creativity. What are you on about? Look at photoshop color selector automates mixing paint, digital filters for audio automate analog mixers. This attitude towards AI creative tools is gatekeeping.

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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by legutierr »

newswasboring wrote: post #166
makoto12 wrote: post #141

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

All advances in creative tooling are automating creativity. What are you on about? Look at photoshop color selector automates mixing paint, digital filters for audio automate analog mixers. This attitude towards AI creative tools is gatekeeping.

The people who wrote the Photoshop source code were paid for their contributions with full consent that their work would be included in the product and sold for a profit by Adobe. The artists whose work was fed into these systems did not consent, nor were they paid for their contribution. In fact, I have seen a few reports of people using these systems to generate lookalike artworks intended to resemble the work of specific working artists—artists whose livelihoods depend on client commissions. The only way that these systems could produce knock-off artwork after receiving a prompt containing that artist's specific name is if the artist's own copyrighted work was used in the training data.

Do you have any doubt that many working artists' copyrighted work was included in the the training data that produced these systems, without those artists licensing their work for that purpose?

It's not gatekeeping to insist that a project obtain a voluntary license from the people who contribute their work to a project.

And it's not gatekeeping to point out the fact that these platforms have only been successful by using working artists' copyrighted work in violation of their rights, without asking permission or providing compensation.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by quonn »

marcell wrote: post #28
throwaway675309 wrote: post #25

I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

Completely agree. People really don't understand where this is going. It's not like society lacks mediocre mid-brow content as it is. LLM's and diffusion models reduce the cost of production to basically zero, and we now have an endless supply mediocre content. Extend it out a few 10x improvements, and we get an endless stream of so-so Netflix shows produced with zero effort. Basically WALL-E made real.

You don't have to watch those shows then. Most movies and other content is already garbage. It's up to you how you spend your time.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by tomp »

makoto12 wrote: post #141

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

At best you could claim “pirated”, definitely not “stolen”.

IMO piracy should be morally encouraged

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by scrollaway »

legutierr wrote: post #174
newswasboring wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All advances in creative tooling are automating creativity. What are you on about? Look at photoshop color selector automates mixing paint, digital filters for audio automate analog mixers. This attitude towards AI creative tools is gatekeeping.

The people who wrote the Photoshop source code were paid for their contributions with full consent that their work would be included in the product and sold for a profit by Adobe. The artists whose work was fed into these systems did not consent, nor were they paid for their contribution. In fact, I have seen a few reports of people using these systems to generate lookalike artworks intended to resemble the work of s…

Be real, copyright/attribution is only one complaint, a tiny part of the sudden hatred against AI art/creativity.

When somebody brings up the invention of photoshop, they're not trying to disprove a point about paying salaries to the devs, and I am sure you knew that.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by harshaw »

I keep coming back to the fact that these technologies enable people to create simulacrums of high quality content quickly - but that shows because of the obvious short comings as identified by other posters.

If I gave myself a week to write a children's book using these tools with a human editor loop - could I create (or perhaps someone more talented) a great book? That seems possible. This seems like it was created in a couple of hours - and that is slightly interesting - but perhaps we will quickly move beyond the amazement of this as we start to see lots of quickly generated low quality content.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by chinathrow »

makoto12 wrote: post #141

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

I hate it as well but at this point, I think the cat's out of the bag. I think it's unlikely that legislation will be able to curtail any copyright infringement.
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