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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by 16bitvoid »

sanity wrote: post #156
16bitvoid wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also like how his first response to a reply to the announcement (and multiple others) was "who do you speak for?" while simultaneously framing a discussion with a single person, in private, as a good faith effort to hear from the community with the implicit assumption that that one person spoke for the community.

Endeavors that make decisions based on what will please the loudest people in the near term normally run into the ground pretty quickly. There was never any obligation to obtain the approval of "the community", whatever that is. Nothing about the name change prevented existing users from continuing to use the software just as they had been doing, and many of them said they agreed with the decision. I honestly only ev…

And endeavors, which are supposedly for the benefit of everyone, that listen to no one run into the ground even quicker.

That's beside the point though. I was pointing out the hypocrisy. This sidestepping and deflection seems to be a trend with you, both here and in the mailing list.

No point in responding to me though if it's just to grandstand. You've made it apparent to me that I want nothing to do with your project. Cheers.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

timschmidt wrote: post #153
Forgeties79 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Extremely depraved things are not the only thing to use freedom of speech for I’m not a fan of “think of the children“ arguments but the Internet cannot actually be a complete free for all and “freedom of speech” is not some magic shield that overrides all other ethical considerations. CSAM is not a particularly high bar and frankly if you want people to throw in with you then you can’t brush it off so lightly.

> I’m not a fan of “think of the children“ arguments Yet you're making one. > the Internet cannot actually be a complete free for all Yet in many important ways, it is. As much as publishers would like to shut down Scihub, it exists. The Pirate Bay famously persists. Nation states with entirely opposed legal systems connect and interoperate to at least some degree.

North Korean Internet will solve ip4 address exhaustion.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by cess11 »

sanity wrote: post #149
pikdum wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd agree if this was more like a Freenet v3, but it's an entirely different project with completely different goals.

How are the goals different?

"Anonymity: While the previous version was designed with a focus on anonymity, the current version does not offer built-in anonymity but allows for a choice of anonymizing systems to be layered on top."

https://freenet.org/about/faq/

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

16bitvoid wrote: post #161
sanity wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Endeavors that make decisions based on what will please the loudest people in the near term normally run into the ground pretty quickly. There was never any obligation to obtain the approval of "the community", whatever that is. Nothing about the name change prevented existing users from continuing to use the software just as they had been doing, and many of them said they agreed with the decision. I honestly only ev…

And endeavors, which are supposedly for the benefit of everyone, that listen to no one run into the ground even quicker. That's beside the point though. I was pointing out the hypocrisy. This sidestepping and deflection seems to be a trend with you, both here and in the mailing list. No point in responding to me though if it's just to grandstand. You've made it apparent to me that I want nothing to do with your proje…

> And endeavors, which are supposedly for the benefit of everyone, that listen to no one run into the ground even quicker.

Good then that we haven't, in fact we set ourselves a very difficult goal and achieved it. Not that we don't still have a lot of work to do.

> You've made it apparent to me that I want nothing to do with your project. Cheers.

You seem to have nothing to say about the substance of what we're doing so I'll get over it.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

Gigachad wrote: post #142
rohitsriram wrote: post #138

Decentralized web has been a pipe dream forever but group chat actually working in practice is more convincing than anything they could have shown. Real time sync was always the hard part. Curious about mobile though, you mentioned iOS is the main blocker because of wasm restrictions. Is the plan to run the peer on desktop and have mobile just connect to it, or are you expecting people to run a full peer on Android?

The hard part imo was not being exposed to, or unknowingly redistributing illegal content. They claim this new freenet solves this but the details on how weren't super clear.

Realistically the only uses cases of this are illegal ones. It’s like Tor, you’re either using it because your government made everything illegal, or you’re using it for dark shit.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

cess11 wrote: post #163
sanity wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are the goals different?

"Anonymity: While the previous version was designed with a focus on anonymity, the current version does not offer built-in anonymity but allows for a choice of anonymizing systems to be layered on top." https://freenet.org/about/faq/

How is offering the user more choice with respect to anonymity changing the goals of the project?

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by subscribed »

sanity wrote: post #135
outside1234 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard to take anyone seriously that says “The woke mind virus.” That is what is wrong with it.

If the use of a single phrase in an obscure three year old mailing list post is enough to make you dismiss someone entirely, that probably says more about you than it does about me.

If you said "vaccines cause autism" it does the same. It's a pattern, a symptom of the deeply unbalanced and, ironically, non-free thinking.

A warning sign.

Look, if everyone around tells you says it sounds like a donkey, looks like a donkey and walks like a donkey, maybe check with a vet?

It's not a conspiracy and not that hard. You'd be embarrassed if you u saw what we see. And indeed, you destroyed the credibility of the project with that.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

foltik wrote: post #160
sanity wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the use of a single phrase in an obscure three year old mailing list post is enough to make you dismiss someone entirely, that probably says more about you than it does about me.

> a single phrase in an obscure three year old mailing list post > I stand by every word I said in that thread

Correct, I don't respond to demands that I disavow my own words, even if they weren't the words I'd use today.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

16bitvoid wrote: post #158
sanity wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would your success metric be for whether reusing the name was the right decision?

Community size and positive community feedback, which is somewhat tangential to progress, which I assume is in the context of development. Also, the rate at which the original freenet community declines. Number of contributors or pull requests isn't a good metric at the moment since the advent of Claude Code et al. has seen a dramatic uptick in both everywhere.

How is it tangential? Technical success is the primary driver of community growth, adoption, and long-term viability. The more it can do, and the better it does it, the more people will use it.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by nextgens »

sanity wrote: post #149
pikdum wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd agree if this was more like a Freenet v3, but it's an entirely different project with completely different goals.

How are the goals different?

I've abstained form interfering until now... but have you honestly forgotten?

Please explain how "the new freenet" tackles censorship resistance.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001017133926/http://freenetpro... "Freenet is a peer-to-peer network designed to allow the distribution of information over the Internet in an efficient manner, without fear of censorship."

https://web.archive.org/web/20050201110519/http://freenetpro... "Freenet is free software which lets you publish and obtain information on the Internet without fear of censorship."

https://web.archive.org/web/20150206152355/https://freenetpr... "Share files, chat on forums, browse and publish, anonymously and without fear of blocking or censorship!"

today: "Hyphanet is peer-to-peer network for censorship-resistant and privacy-respecting publishing and communication."

the new freenet: ?!?

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