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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by Spacemolte »

prophesi wrote: post #84

Am I correct that after cloning down the project, you open the directory in Claude Code, then "execute" a markdown file instructing a nondeterministic LLM to set everything up for you in natural language?

The premise of the project is he doesn't want to run code he doesn't know + in an insecure way, so having the setup step to install dependencies etc, done by an LLM seems like an odd choice. Like what part about the setup step is so fluffy and different per environment, that using an LLM for it makes sense?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by skerit »

jimminyx wrote: post #34
dceddia wrote: post #21

This look nice! I was curious about being allowed to use a Claude Pro/Max subscription vs an API key, since there's been so much buzz about that lately, so I went looking for a solid answer. Thankfully the official Agent SDK Quickstart guide says that you can: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/quickstart In particular, this bit: "After installing Claude Code onto your machine, run claude in your terminal…

OP here. Yes! This was a big motivation for me to try and build this. Nervous Anthropic is gonna shut down my account for using Clawdbot. This project uses the Agents SDK so it should be kosher in regards to terms of service. I couldn't figure out how to get the SDK running inside the containers to properly use the authenticated session from the host machine so I went with a hacky way of injecting the oauth token int…

Can you do everything via the SDK as via regular API calls? Caching etc all works? You can get reasoning, responses, tool call info, ... ?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by arccy »

esskay wrote: post #132

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

filing spam issues can easily get the account banned if it annoys the wrong maintainers.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by JKCalhoun »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #106
nialse wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

”I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me.” - AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done.

There should never have been an "artisan era". We use computers to solve problems. You should have always getting stuff done instead of bikeshedding over nitty-gritty details, like when in the office people have been spending weeks on optimizing code... just to have the exact same output, exact same time, but now "nicer". You get paid to get stuff done, period.

"You get paid to get stuff done, period."

It sounds like you hate your job? To be sure, I've done plenty of grinding over my career as a software engineer but in fact I coded as a hobby before it turned into a career, I then continued to code on the side, now I am retired and code still.

Perhaps the artist in me that keeps at it.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by ljm »

esskay wrote: post #132

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

YOLO is a bit of an understatement for this

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by naasking »

nialse wrote: post #89
jimminyx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

”I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me.” - AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done.

> AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done

The invention of calculators and computers also left the human artisan era of slide rules, calculation charts and accounting. If that's really what you care about, what are you even doing here?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by enraged_camel »

frizlab wrote: post #119
_zoltan_ wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should never have been an "artisan era". We use computers to solve problems. You should have always getting stuff done instead of bikeshedding over nitty-gritty details, like when in the office people have been spending weeks on optimizing code... just to have the exact same output, exact same time, but now "nicer". You get paid to get stuff done, period.

Yeah. Exactly the same as there should never be an “artisan era” for chairs, tables, buildings, etc. Hell even art! Why should art even be a thing? We are machine driven by neurons, feelings do not exist. Might be your life, it ain’t mine. I’m an artisan of code, and I’m proud to be one. I might finally use AI one of these days at work because I’ll have to, but I’ll never stop cherishing doing hand-crafted code.

>> Yeah. Exactly the same as there should never be an “artisan era” for chairs, tables, buildings, etc.

That's funny you bring up those examples, because they have all moved on to the mass manufacturing era. You can still get artisan quality stuff but it typically costs a lot more and there's a lot less of it. Which is why mass-manufacturing won. Same is going to happen with software. LLMs are just the beginning.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by satvikpendem »

nialse wrote: post #89
jimminyx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

”I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me.” - AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done.

Code is the means to an end of getting stuff done, not the end in itself as some people seem to think. Yes, being a code artisan is fun, but do not mistake the fun for its ultimate purpose.
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